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The Kilmar Return: Justice Delayed, Justice Derailed
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Hello everyone and welcome to another episode of Left Face. I am your co-host, dick Wilkinson, and I'm joined today with Adam Gillard. Hey, dick, how's it going today? I'm doing great. This is the Pikes Peak Region's Progressive Podcast and I'll just leave it at that. That's enough T's for today.
Speaker 2:It's too late to play with words.
Speaker 1:I didn't come with any notes. I've got to start writing these down, yeah right. This is a special episode. This is Left-Faced After Dark. We got busy with the other activities this week so we're recording on Saturday evening. Maybe we'll have a bit of levity. In the episode this week we start off with, we get to end the Kilmar count as far as him being out of country and illegally deported, he's back in country.
Speaker 2:You told me about it, Adam.
Speaker 1:So how did you find out? How did you first find out?
Speaker 2:So it was really just the headline caught me off guard today. It's what? 84 days ish now, yeah, um, and I saw it and it's, you know, uh, washington post, you know, on their top seven, you know, kill Mars back. And then I opened it up and and he's been arrested. Yeah, what the hell? Yeah, so they, they, they, finally they finally followed the judge, because they were ordered to do this weeks ago. It was in April, it was the end of April.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's been six weeks almost.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we kind of talked about how this was that Andrew Jackson moment. Well, they made their decision, or they made their ruling. Let them enforce it. To me. This is the Trump administration following the order just as slowly as possible Until they probably got enough evidence to get this trumped up charge.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was probably. It was they needed to manufacture something so that once he came back, he couldn't be a folk hero, basically.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so they got him on human trafficking and I don't know what the evidence is and all that. That's just the charge that they read. But you know, you were telling me a bit ago about a run-in that he had with the law back in 2019, was it? I think it was that far back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I saw the video. I think it was that far back van. They didn't have any luggage and he said they were going from a work site in one state to a work site in another state and the police conferred outside of the vehicle. But on camera there, with each other on body cam, they're like man. I really think he's hauling people. You know like I don't think these people are just getting a ride. You know like I feel like he's up to some kind of criminal activity.
Speaker 1:Which state was it again. I think he was in Tennessee is where he got pulled over by the highway patrol or the state troopers, but there was really nothing to report that day. They let him go with all those people. He had an expired driver's license and he didn't even get a ticket, he just got sent on his way. But that was what put the Trump administration on a path, or the DOJ on a path, to investigate his overall life activities as long as he's been in the United States, basically. So, yeah, that was the hook that got him started and I agree, you're right, the timeline was probably how long is it going to take us to put a case together? So, since we can indict him, and that's what happened.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see what evidence and witnesses they come forward with, because you know they talked with the previous owner of the van, who's in prison and he supposedly rolled on him. But I mean this guy's already in prison. He can say what He'll be on the next list of pardons. Probably He'll get pardoned next week, probably.
Speaker 1:He'll get pardoned and handed some meme coins on the way out to prison right.
Speaker 2:I mean like here's your new money.
Speaker 1:You don't know, since you went to prison, man, we got rid of regular money and now we use this stuff.
Speaker 2:Trump coins. Here's your card. I don't think we're that far off from that. No it's a few months away, you know, they've already like planted the ideas of like getting him onto you know bills dollar bill, like the $500 bill or something like that. Like they're trying to get his face on something. It's like there's they have rules against all this stuff. Like like we're not here to make idols in these. Like you know, big you know put them up on a pinnacle.
Speaker 1:We're getting rid of pennies. I think we should make a three cent coin and it should be the Donald Trump three cent penny. It's. It's useless, because you can't really pay for anything with it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would be. Everybody would curse it as soon as they got got another Trump. Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like the worst change you can get.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well.
Speaker 1:I'm glad that Kilmer's back as far as due process, we're not surprised. I don't think that he didn't come back to a hero's welcome or even a quiet. You know, slip him in the back door and he's just back. Now. It was uh, you know he came back to just more, more problems and and more harassment, but you know yeah, yeah, it's and it's.
Speaker 2:I think it's a another distraction from what's going on in the streets actively. You know, when you look at what's going on in california, how, uh, crowds are chasing out ice and like people are standing up and actually being effective, stuff like that I think you know. Again, the one thing trump is good at is like marketing and like controlling the media, controlling the narrative, and you know, I've been seeing a lot of resistance and a lot of people standing up and fighting back against these things. So this might be another one of the things we're like hey look, we brought him back and he is a criminal. Look at this.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't fight us on this. Yeah, we were right all along Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Everybody that we pick up is a criminal, and you know it.
Speaker 2:just give us enough time and we'll prove it that it's true his uh little psychopath sidekick there, uh steven miller, I think yeah, is that miller? Yes, yeah, he was going on a rant about three thousand people a month or a day or something like, just a number he didn't really give a shit about trying to get him off, like pick people up.
Speaker 1:you, you're saying, yeah, that was his goal, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but like, and it's just, he just stuck on a number and they just wanted to get people. They picked up a tourist who was, you know, traveling here and, like, separated her from her daughter and arrested the tourist. It's like, what the hell are you guys doing, man? I believe it.
Speaker 1:Man, there's so many people that won't travel here now because they're just worried about something going sideways, you know, and even if they're from totally friendly countries right, you know germany, you know uk they're like I'd rather go somewhere else. Brazil, I hear brazil is nice this time of year.
Speaker 2:You know like, oh, and even the uh somewhere else, those reporters that we talked to a while ago, you know coming in from, uh, the netherlands, I think it was the netherlands yeah, um, like, like they were nervous that their visas wouldn't even get approved. You know saying that your press coming into international journalist yeah yeah. So, like you know, they had some uh, a lot of concerns and then yet traveling here.
Speaker 1:Obviously it's a lot more dangerous here than anywhere else well, um, let's switch gears to people traveling here, south africans, the uh, the feud between elon musk and donald trump. Um, one of the things that I heard was I wonder if the special visas for all the South African Afrikaner white refugees, if those will just kind of vanish soon. If things fall apart between Elon and the White House, those special visas may just disappear in the wind.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean, and he is 100, like he being being trump? Is 100 that petty to like?
Speaker 1:do stuff like that well he signed an executive order this this week reinforcing the old muslim ban from way back in like 2017 oh, yeah, first one that he ever came up with. This was basically the same thing. He just turned it back on and he just did that. So yeah for sure he'd be like, hmm, africa, it has africa in the name you know, yeah, that would be enough for him to add it to the list, you know so yeah, I wonder, uh, because we all know it was a shady deal to begin with.
Speaker 2:Like, like those, uh, south africaners they weren't refugees, they weren't, like, named that by the un or anything like that. It was just the trump administration handing out visas to folks. That is probably, like you said, directly related to Musk. Yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see if that comes back into play. But I think the biggest, obviously the biggest one that Elon tweeted about over the last two days or whatever it's been, he threw Trump under the bus for days or whatever it's been, um, he threw Trump under the bus for the Epstein files.
Speaker 2:Yes, oh, like, for as much as I hate the guy, like, thank you Cause, like, like, it is so good to hear somebody like an ally, a close ally of Trump say something like that. You know what I mean. I mean um, now, granted, he provided no evidence. He's never seen the, the fbf house, he, he's talking out of his ass, sure, but like, good, like I, I hope, because he's got enough of his own crazy followers. Like, like, yeah, I mean, there's enough smoke on on the, the epstein trump connection, that like I mean, there's pictures, dude, you can't really have any more, you know yeah, they're laughing, joking, yeah, like, yeah, it's just well.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm just thankful that, uh, anybody has the or believes they have the ability to take a run at donald trump and just get in a fight with him. You know what? I'm saying Like Mitch McConnell's too old to do it. He's, you know he's got the wherewithal to like want to fight back in the political sense, but he's just kind of throwing. He's like the old dudes on the Muppets that are up in the stands.
Speaker 2:That's what he's doing now, as his lame duck.
Speaker 1:you know term ends out, but you know that's what he's doing now as his lame duck term ends out. But Elon Musk is like young blood. He's got, like you say, he's got followers. He's got people that care and listen to him. So I'm glad to see anybody with that kind of sway get into a fight with Donald Trump, and even though he's saying stuff that's not true or maybe is make-believe as far as some of the stuff that he's trying to throw out there, that's right, right out of donald trump's book too. You know what?
Speaker 1:I'm saying he got yeah he's been found guilty for doing it. You know in civil cases. You know like he's lost millions and millions of dollars for doing it, so you know, elon musk is like hey, here's a little taste of your own medicine. You're a pedophile, you know, and it's like, guess he had it coming right, you know, yeah, yeah you're right, because trump's done that so many times where they notorious.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they throw out the headline. We say actually it was the whole doge thing. We always saved, you know, one trillion dollars. It's like a hundred million man, but nobody reads that second headline. You know where they come back and correct the headlines exactly and that's how social media fights go too.
Speaker 1:It's just headlines, right like literally character limited headlines. That's. All you can do is shoot headlines at each other yeah, and so it's made for it's made for news, you know, because they can just take them and just repost them, rebroadcast them and give it one little piece of context. So the news was having a heyday on like wednesday when it all blew up, you know, or thursday then it was.
Speaker 2:They were all having fun with that but yeah, on the uh, the joe roman podcast he uh there, I think is his assistant there jamie read one off to him that actually the pedophile went off to him uh out, like live out by the recording so like, yeah, it was just like firing yeah, now, like we said, you know no evidence.
Speaker 1:Um, it's, it's just the what's the most heinous thing I can say, and it's pretty hard, you know trump is raised to that bar because he said some pretty bad stuff himself, you know right. So it's pretty hard to say like, look at how bad of a dude he is, well, we already know that, you know Right. So it's pretty hard to say, like, look at how bad of a dude he is, well, we already know that, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, um, another interesting thing about that uh Rogan podcast. The guy that he was that was he was talking with was uh cash Patel.
Speaker 1:Oh, really, yeah On the podcast that day. On the podcast that day and so and so patel was like I'm not touching that at all. He's like, yeah, I have.
Speaker 2:I have lanes and that is not my lane. Yeah, way to get fired, joe. Yeah, yeah, it was funny how he just immediately was like nope, not even going there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, do you think? I mean I believe that it's hard to say it. I believe Elon Musk is genuine that's a loaded phrase, but I believe that he genuinely doesn't like the big, beautiful bill, and I think that is the falling out.
Speaker 2:Really, the root of all of it is that there's genuine disagreement there and the two dudes are going to part ways over that well, what's wild about you know that that bill also, is that even uh, the nutcase in uh georgia, uh, taylor green, marjorie taylor green, she was like she came out kind of screaming about it after she signed up for it. She's like oh, I didn't read it. Like what the yeah, that's literally what you're getting paid for man.
Speaker 1:Yes, Too late. You already voted yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there was another instance recently where in the Oval Office they were signing something and the guy that was signing it I can't remember which country he came from, but during the press conference trump was like, yeah, and they just agreed to move their uh tel aviv embassy to jerusalem. And the guy like was that was with them, like gave him, like the deer in the headlights, looking back and through the paperwork, like like I didn't say that, like, but like I think he coordinated. I think that they might have to move their. It's like austria or hungary or something like that.
Speaker 2:Wow, yeah well, yeah, people just aren't reading shit and like they're still trying to like, trust them and go like steven, you know whitmer's thing, you know a few months ago where she went there and they tried to like, you know, uh, get a photo opportunity with her and she, you know, held the book up. Like people should know by now. Like You're dealing with a snake At every fucking level. You're dealing with a snake.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you just can't be trusted.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm surprised that the I guess, if you're a politician, there's some value in thinking well, everybody else tried, but let me go try too, right, like maybe I'll be the one that gets through.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, and so I suppose that was Whitmer's desire or intention there. You know it was like I'm willing to go and I know I've watched other people walk down through this and it reminds me of the never ending story, the Oracle, where he has to run through there and it shoots lasers at him.
Speaker 2:Right, he's like.
Speaker 1:I can watch all the people walk through here and get shot with lasers, right, but maybe I'll be the one that's true of heart and I'll make it through you know Nobody's ever true of heart. Nobody makes it through. You know, You've got this atreyu.
Speaker 2:Yeah only atreyu, and he's not in congress right now so no, where is he?
Speaker 1:he's at mar-a-lago atreyu, that's the name of the uh you know groundskeeper down there uh, what was the uh? What was the other topic we had hoped to cover today? Oh, the colorado springs, uh, local colorado story, boulder another one yeah, so yeah, we've, we've.
Speaker 1:Oh, the Colorado Springs, local Colorado story, boulder, another one. Yeah, so yeah. We've mentioned over the past few months that Colorado Springs is catching a lot of bad news, even though the bad things are happening in other places. Come to find out. The community here has unfortunately produced some people that have committed some really bad things, and that happened again. Bad things, and uh, that happened again. Um, this, the national news story that everybody's aware of, that uh, attacking Boulder. Um, not, you know this demonstration you can't call it a demonstration. Every week, these people walk around this closed off pedestrian area. They walk slowly and just carry signs and wear shirts and um, they're in support of um, jewish people in Israel and the release of the hostages.
Speaker 1:Um, you know from gaza, really that's what it's about is the release of the hostages right, right and um yeah, so this guy is an it was an egyptian national, had been in the united states legally for some amount of time, but but then um had overstayed his visa, um, but all of that aside, um, he planned for a year to try and find a place where he could attack people that were in support of Israel and, you know, zionism, I guess, as he saw it. So, um, heinous attack, uh, fire, you know he, he had a backpack type sprayer that had fuel in.
Speaker 1:It is what people said and that when they said he was using a flamethrower, he was spraying people like that, right, and then that thing kind of broke down, pretty quickly, I guess, and so and he was catching himself on fire, and like I don't think that was his intention, you know, and so he uh took his. That's why I took his clothes off, because the backpack had started catching him on fire. Um yeah, yeah, and so he wanted to be able to throw more molotov cocktails at people before he died.
Speaker 2:I guess if he thought he was gonna die so yeah, I think that he still had like 14 or something like that loaded up, you know, ready to go. Yeah, I did see one person kind of of yelling at him and talking to him and trying to get him to stop doing what he was doing. But that area right there is a no-gun zone. It's one of the few ones in the state where no guns concealed carry or open carry.
Speaker 2:So folks were kind of chirping about that. But you know, at the end of the day, the 14 folks that were injured, uh, I think everybody still survived. Um, I'm not sure the extent of other injuries, yeah, but uh, yeah, it was a heinous thing. That could have been a lot, lot worse, yeah, um, but uh, well, what's frustrating to me is just how people can justify their anger with you know what they feel is a genocide happening there, right, yeah, why, why do you? How does that get you to drive you to kill somebody here? Like where is that justification? And like how do you tie that back into religion? And like I just don't understand it at all.
Speaker 1:It just blows my mind yeah, and so the um I did hear one um comment really, this is about the only time I heard this was that this is the evidence of when terrorist leaders call for global jihad type movements, this is what they are hoping to inspire. Is this type of violence right? And so people who are already ripe for radicalization are the ones that get set up for these lone wolf type situations? Right, and so that's that's kind of the path of what happens. Is the radicalization materials are there? They're.
Speaker 1:If you want to find them, it's easy to find them. Right. If you want to find them, it's easy to find them Right. Right, and so, yeah, people that you know are politically motivated or emotionally motivated by some experience they had, they feel like they're getting deported, you know, and they're like well, it's because of the you know Jews or the, whatever, it's the you know global order that you know they want to keep people like me, you know, trapped in dangerous places or whatever. It doesn't make sense, you know. That's that's not what 80 year old people in Boulder are doing, you know.
Speaker 2:But um, it's crazy to me just how like deeply passionate people are, um, connected, when, like, this guy was Egyptian, so he's there. But but I have a friend that, uh, she's a Jewish lady and she's really struggling right now with anything Palestine, but like, like, if you say free Palestine, it really upsets her and and it's just really interesting to me that, like the sweetest person in the world and she's just like Nope, gotta be gone. She's a hundred percent Zionist and she's proud of it. You know, nope, got to be gone. She's 100% Zionist and she's proud of it. You know, it just blows my mind that people can take religion and use it to kill people. I just don't understand that. It's like every great thing that man has created, we could use it for good, like nuclear energy, but we could power the world and do everything and keep it clean, and now let's kill everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what we're going to do with this. Well, I made the argument the other day Someone had saw that there was a someone tried to fire bomb something. Separate attack, separate situation. But the two or three people that got caught and arrested in the attempt to carry out this attack, they admitted that they had used chat, GPT or Gemini or something like that to look up plans on how to make explosives and understand the like, explosive velocity of certain types of materials so that their bombs would actually explode Right and not just catch things on fire.
Speaker 1:And so they said yeah, yeah, we used AI to look this stuff up, and so the headline was AI helps dudes make a bomb. And you know my comment to that was no. Like you know, shared human knowledge helps dudes make a bomb right, Like you could have. Googled this. The Jolly Roger cookbook has been around for 40 years it seems like now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, the Anarchist cookbook has been around for 40 years. It seems like you know. So, yeah, yeah, the anarchist cookbook. Yeah, there was hardcover copies floating around. Like you can get all sorts of crazy information out there on, like the the the bright side of the internet. You go to the dark side. Like you can get all sorts of shit Like those they'll deliver to your house.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly they'll deliver to your house. Yeah, exactly. So there's, uh, you know, don't, don't say, because somebody used chat gpt to look something up, that ai is is turning on. You know, is the rail? The rails are off. You know we can't keep us safe. Those dudes could have looked that up at the freaking library. Honestly, you know, they would just had to do some math, you know, to learn about the explosive velocity of. You know different materials. That requires some trigonometry or something, and it's like, nah, I'll just chat GPT that.
Speaker 2:AI doesn't kill people. People kill people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, people kill people. I like it.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's AI's propaganda, though telling me that.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess what can be done about a community producing so many different types of problem citizens or members, because the polar opposites from the guy who blew up the cyber truck in Las Vegas to the guy who firebbombed people in boulder.
Speaker 2:Um, couldn't be any more different. You know what I'm saying well.
Speaker 2:So like violence, the, the attacks on our like mental consciousness, it doesn't just happen to like far-right mega folks. You know, sure, um it, both sides have so much uh like depletion of just like attention span, critical thinking, all these things from like just melting our minds over the years from social media and having that constant dopamine drip, so now, when I'm get upset, I think it's the end of the world. You know, uh, you know our minds are just different now, like we have changed as a species. You know our minds are just different now, like we have changed as a species. You know, now that we've come into this digital age where you know we're trying to raise children off of Miss Rachel, you know the YouTube videos teaching your kids songs so that you can sit there and play candy crush. Yeah, you know we're. We've done such a disservice to ourselves by leaning so heavily onto technology. As I sit here, you know, talking to the phone with my nice headphones and everything, but yeah, right, um well, I mean, I don't disagree with that, and yeah.
Speaker 1:So how do you? How do you come?
Speaker 2:back from that, though you know to come back from that. You know I know people really enjoyed the and covid really, uh, got this on the fast track because once a lot of people went into their homes and could still work and still communicate and still hang out with their friends, they're like well shit, I don't need to be outside then, I don't need to go do this stuff, and you know I don't need to just sit in quiet and peacefulness. You know that we always have something hey, we're well armed. Yeah, I mean like I agree there's.
Speaker 1:There's a common theme there between the various, you know, problems that I'm sure we've. That we've experienced throughout the community recently is that, uh yeah, extreme content online and the uh kind of feedback loop that you get from either looking at other people's content or believing you're going to produce your own in some grand gesture, you know yeah that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a a factor in all those cases, for sure one of the best uh tips I got when I was campaigning last year. Uh, he's like be prepared for no. Like you're gonna say things and people like you're gonna like know that you're right, but sometimes be like no. Like what do you do then? And it's just something that, like, a lot of people don't ever think about because they think that what I have in my head is right, this is the way that it's going to be, this is the way that it should be, yeah, and and they're not ready to accept your reality no, shared reality.
Speaker 1:Yeah and uh, man, I'll tell you you are, you are not, you're. You cannot be doing a very good job as a politician If you can't hear the haters, if you don't know where they're at, then you're not making very much noise, you know you got to know right where they're at and what they're mad about. That means that they hear you, right if? If the haters aren't making noise, they haven't heard you yet.
Speaker 2:That's it so yeah, and if you look at, you know with us about to lose space command and we have a representative that is vacant, like you don't hear anything about jeff frank. Yeah, you know, uh, and now we're like I'm confident it's gonna happen pretty soon, we're gonna lose space command. And then he's're like I'm confident it's going to happen pretty soon, we're going to lose space command. And then he's going to come back and say, oh, it's not that big of a deal, but like, as time goes on, we're going to keep losing contracts and contracts are going to move to where the, the, the four stars are sitting. Uh, and like a lot of our you and like a lot of these project managers around here and things like that, yeah, you guys either get to move to Alabama or kick rocks like you're a contractor, they don't care. You know, it's not like the government, where the GS positions, where you get to choose or have seniority.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I've got my son, he's got a friend that's moving away and it's because his dad is a Space Force civilian and the whole command and headquarter element that he's a part of is getting reassigned out to Cape Canaveral area in Florida, and so I don't know how many people that is, but that's a headquarters element that's moving now. So I don't I just don't know how many people, but it happened pretty quick. I know it happened over the past few months.
Speaker 2:So so something else that uh with just think about shriever and the election that's going on, the special election here in colorado springs. Yeah, it's carmen line, it's a little flag uh, development like outside the city limits. There there's a lewis banning who owns like pretty much the east side of Colorado Springs. They have a chunk of land right there, so they don't want to develop their land because they're charging us more for their land up north. Right, if they opened up all of their land, then they're just trying to squeeze the market as much as they can, right.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And so these other developers built on the other side of their land and they're trying to get the city to pay for that. Road infrastructure, sewer infrastructure and police fire, all that stuff for another community that's, you know, not connected to us at all. Um, so obviously, like, no, like. Developers should not be allowed to like use taxpayer monies to fund their infrastructure. And as soon as they do that, louis Vanning's going to start selling their stuff, because now that the infrastructure's laid in, they're going to save a ton of money on their next development. So, yeah, it's just ridiculous. How did we even get onto this one? Where did I jump from? Ridiculous, uh, how did we even get out of this one? Where did I jump from? I, I do not know.
Speaker 2:You're talking about the local ballot initiative but yeah, I can't remember how I was going to tie this back into what we were talking about before, but but yeah, if you haven't voted yet, make sure you get your ballot in, uh no one know on the carmen line okay.
Speaker 1:So yeah, I saw the signs and it said military friendly, like eco-friendly and water friendly, or something like that. You brought me back. You brought me back.
Speaker 2:Yeah Right, no shit they yeah, military friendly, water friendly?
Speaker 2:Yeah, come on. Yeah, uh, pfas is a thing. Yeah, uh, the uh the base commander out at Schriever issued a statement that pretty much said like they don't really care one way or the other. They like to be involved in decisions. But it didn't really make a statement one way or the other, or he said he encourages the growth around that area.
Speaker 2:But as somebody that has a background in uh like satcom and uh jamming and interference, like the closer that you move a community to shriever air force base where a lot of critical statcom information is like, you need three things to jam a satellite you need the frequency, you need power, you need to be inside the footprint.
Speaker 2:Sure, sure, if you give people more, like Schriever is out in the middle of nowhere, because it's the middle of nowhere and we can see the sky really well, if we keep moving communities out there closer, we're moving potentially bad folks into footprints that they shouldn't be allowed to be in. Yeah, so like it's just that's how I was coming back. So, yeah, gotcha, so these like short, short-term, you know uh problem, or I don't want to say it's a problem, but but they're trying to like do this little quick election and it's gonna have not just like put stressors on our local you know police fired, you know all these other services but like on a national level, you're gonna put houses at shriever's back door, like we're gonna. We're gonna keep surrounding shriever air force base that has, like so many critical systems out there.
Speaker 1:Um, we're just gonna potentially put bad guys right at the back door yeah I um, for me, I, I saw, I looked it up, I looked up what the carmen line was and I just thought to myself, hey, like man, you know if I, if I'd like to buy a house if it was out there now, you know, like if I was going to get the station out here. I'd want my house to be close to the base. You know, that was all I thought. It was just from the active duty military member mindset of like yeah, sure, I want the police to cover my neighborhood.
Speaker 2:You know why? Not you know, but like.
Speaker 1:but there are three hours behind schedule today, like yeah, well, the the thing that popped into my head today was this is the only thing on this ballot, it's the only topic and it is a special election in the middle of the summer. At the municipal level. They're going to get like 500 votes.
Speaker 2:You know yeah.
Speaker 1:That's it, you know.
Speaker 2:Nobody's going to vote on this thing the developers are going to, you know, vote on it, and that'll be half the you know, right there, all the folks down there close to that community will probably say, yes, you know, or just because they'll get more, some more resources down there. But yeah, um, because actually you know, I, I take that back. I was just uh remembered. I read that the folks that are living out there right now, they don't even get a vote in this because they're not.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, they're not in the city. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2:They got a hope on the kindness of strangers on this one. Yeah, man, if I know anything about Colorado Springs, get in line kick.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's funny. Well, we'll see how it goes. When does that happen? July, that's when that is, or no.
Speaker 2:June 17th. Oh, okay. Gotcha, that is or no, june 17th, okay, gotcha, I think it's one of those ballots need to be in.
Speaker 1:So we'll have an answer on that soon. Yeah, well, maybe that's where I'll buy my first uh, you know extra house. I'll go out there and buy it. Once they put it inside the city limits, I'll go get out yeah, yeah, yeah, then we have your nice uh police department.
Speaker 2:I'll take you three hours to get out to you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's right, I'll call the base. I'll tell them that there's some freaky, weird foreign people are sneaking around in my backyard.
Speaker 2:Oh God, yeah, You'll get helicopters and everything. It's crazy because the folks in our town and I've been seeing it around the nation there's still nothing on the 80 plus members that got disappeared from our town. They're just gone yeah I agree. Yeah, we don't know what's going on. Yeah, and more and more companies are calling ice on their, on themselves and that nice, just go around people up.
Speaker 1:I guess you get to coordinate what day they show up if you call them yourself, versus if you're going to show up on their own Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Pick up the drywallers last. Well, actually get the painters last. Yeah, Okay, electrical you guys are done. Okay, get the electrical guys out of here, yeah.
Speaker 1:And also, you know it could be a way of only so many people show up to work that day. And then you know the, you know I shows up and leaves and then you know, next week all the rest of the people that actually work there show up back to work. You know it's sort of a bait and switch. Unfortunately, you know they're throwing people under the bus, but we're not talking about necessarily.
Speaker 2:How would it feel to be the one guy that like wasn't told that plan and you still showed up? You were like, yeah, you show up. You realize like there's not that many trucks, you know you get to work today.
Speaker 1:You're like man, there's not that many cars in the parking lot, where is everybody? You know. You walk into work and you're like ah no you know, you guys, yeah back to el salvador. You're texting everybody. You guys didn't tell me you know before you get arrested. You're like man it's kind of like, uh, falling asleep and getting you know pictures drawn on your forehead with the marker or something you know. It's like ah, we didn't tell you you're getting the board, dude, you know how terrible is that. That's america right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so her, it's so horrific like I can't remember I can't remember earlier in our conversation there was a point you said something and I was just like how, how is this a reality? You know, there's something about violence or bombing something, something somewhere and it's just like how is this our reality now, where people are yeah, this did I mean, it's not that bad here and people are still acting like, like we're in a third world country. Yeah, you know, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1:Ridiculous the well. As we opined about earlier, the power of the repetitiveness of messaging is different, right, whereas you watch the news once, maybe twice a day back when it was only on TV and you didn't have it in your hand all the time. Right, and even people that didn't want to watch the news, they tune in and watch, like the local news, for like half hour every day, but that was it. You got to get the, got the weather, processed it, and then you moved on, right, right, and now it is a never-ending feed, and so that repetition of the same type of message can hit you from multiple places multiple times a day. You know, yeah, and it's always be afraid, be afraid yeah, of someone that's not.
Speaker 1:You know somebody. You know somebody that we told you is the boo. Be afraid of someone that's not. You know somebody. You know somebody that we told you is the boogeyman, or that's different, or that's whatever. Right? So, yeah, that's it and you're right, that's. That's. That's part of that short circuiting that you were saying of everybody being the one edge and willing to overreact and feeling like it's the end of the world's because you're being told it is. You know, you know um a lot you know?
Speaker 2:unfortunately, you're being told it is a lot yeah, so well. Well, to all our listen listeners, it's not the end of the world it's not yeah we're gonna get through some of this yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know the the I'm curious, the back half after the midterms, when the writing's really on the wall and the gentleman who's in the White House this time. Didn't want to leave last time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because they're going to start talking primaries and who's going to replace you and who you're going to endorse.
Speaker 1:And yeah, it's going to be. It's going to get really choppy. I've always had it in my back pocket that war with Russia would be a way where some sort of War Powers Act of you know something that we all don't know about. It's written on the back of the Constitution.
Speaker 2:You know right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever the Nicolas Cage has to read it for you.
Speaker 2:you know Trump knows about it and he's going to be like it's the war powers of 1842, you know, because it wasn't that some of the justification that FDR used to run for a third term?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And that's why we have term limits, right, is that?
Speaker 1:there's a sitting president, can't? That would encourage people, unfortunately, to start a war, to stay in the white house, right, and so I'm just saying that's a possibility, that's a path. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, I'm sure they're looking at every possible path right now and so you know, keeping ukraine and and russia warm, but not hot, is potentially politically expedient, depending on what kind of outcome you want to choose.
Speaker 2:You know yeah, so something I've always kind of just had kicking around.
Speaker 1:I guess that's the intelligence guy in my in, yeah, you know, foreign policy I see through sort of the intelligence lens and that's the one that I'm like we could solve this problem and we're not, and I don't know why you know and that could be why you know oh yeah, something to chew on.
Speaker 2:Thanks for that one yay, you know what?
Speaker 1:I think that's a good conspiracy theory that we can just. Maybe we end the show on that right we should.
Speaker 2:We gotta start our own right if we talk about everybody else's conspiracies, all the time we need to crank some out every now and then, right yeah, exactly so that they'll never know we're batshit crazy if we don't have a batshit crazy if we don't have some.
Speaker 1:Yeah and you know, I also think that's very fitting for our first, uh, after dark edition. Is that we we wrap up with a conspiracy theory yeah homegrown. Yeah, I'll tell you what man putin's in.
Speaker 2:We wrap up with a conspiracy theory yeah, homegrown.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll tell you what man Putin's in on it.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's good, All right Well thank you for having us everyone.
Speaker 1:Thanks, adam. Yeah, thanks everybody for listening and we will catch you all again next week.
