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City Council Showdown: Cannabis Sales, Tax Fairness, and the Legacy of Jimmy Carter
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Hello everyone and welcome back for another episode of Left Face. This is the Pikes Peak Region podcast about veterans issues and political topics. I'm your co-host, dick Wilkinson, and I'm joined this morning with Adam Gillard. Good morning Adam, good morning Dick. How are you doing? I'm doing great. I'm glad we do this inside.
Speaker 2:Oh man, that wind is nasty today.
Speaker 1:It's so terrible. Anybody that's not around in Colorado Springs is a blizzard today, but we're dedicated, right, yeah? So here we are. We've also got so many topics today that we're not going to be able to get to all of them. We're going to have to save some interesting stuff for next week maybe, but we did get a notice that there's an event coming up next week, is it?
Speaker 2:Or when is that? Tuesday, the 14th.
Speaker 1:Tuesday, the 14th.
Speaker 2:Is the next city council meeting.
Speaker 1:So what's going on at the city council meeting and why would our listeners be interested if they wanted to show up?
Speaker 2:It's a cannabis initiative you know we uh approve question 300, you know, authorizing, you know, the retail sale of cannabis and, uh, shut down. Uh, was it 2B? Uh, the one that wanted to change the charter to outlaw? Um, so, and it was pretty clear. You know, the good guys won, the bad guys lost on this one, yeah, uh, but they keep talking.
Speaker 2:So the uh the city council now has to put forward, like their legislation to get things, you know, working and moving and things like that, because I mean the sooner the better, one for the tax money and just for you know the relief that some veterans could have, because I know some veterans they don't like getting a medical card, just because then they can't have their concealed carry permit, just because then they can't have their concealed carry permit and so they're either going out of town or getting their other prescriptions from other places. So this could help out a lot of folks. So the sooner it happens, the better. And this Tuesday the city council is doing their first reading of what they want to put into law. So, yeah, we just want to kind of rally people and get them all there to let them know that we're monitoring this and making sure that they're following what the people voted for back in November.
Speaker 1:Well, that was the obvious intention of trying to put the ordinance. Well, not trying, I mean they did. They put the ordinance in place that cannabis facilities would need if there was recreational or adult use, that they would have a one-mile standoff from basically everything in town. And we all saw the map on TV and it was these blue bubbles all over the map that just cover all the populated areas.
Speaker 2:Any residential not residential but commercial district was basically out of the…. Could you imagine if your house was inside of that one little area that wasn't colored? Your property value just skyrocketed, yeah, yeah I guess, if you can sell, if you found that one spot you can sell your.
Speaker 1:Uh, you know, it's like the limited licensing thing right, yeah but um, for us the the push. And what needs to get clarified on tuesday is the difference between the voters passed an agreement for a 1 000 foot stand right the same thing that's currently in place for medical stores, and that allows for a few areas in town to have a small density of shops.
Speaker 1:It's not like there's a green row in town or anything like that. No, but the ordinance that was passed at the end of the year last year by the city council in sort of a I don't know against the will of the voters I'm not sure what the word is there, but they just did it unilaterally.
Speaker 2:That's it Right.
Speaker 1:Unilateral movement by the city council to say one mile instead of 1,000 feet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they saw the writing on the wall. Like when you hand in you know 28,000 signatures for you.
Speaker 1:You know for these things, like for a ballot initiative, right, for a citizen-led initiative, like that's a huge number yeah, um, and so they had a knee-jerk, unilateral reaction they wanted to make sure that backdoor they were basically ban it, right, and tuesday is where this argument may come to a head right and uh, well, you know we got a read out of what's going to be reviewed on tuesday. Adam and I were just looking at it and the language is confusing, maybe on purpose, and there's some marked out parts. There's what feels like double negatives.
Speaker 2:You know, yeah, and within like single, like you know, within two paragraphs they just directly contradict each other. So, yeah, hopefully what they read in is what we voted for. If you want to show up to speak, you've got to be there at 9 in the morning. If you want to give a testimonial, you get three minutes. I think the show there starts at 10.
Speaker 1:Okay, Well, if you have the time or interest, please consider showing up in person. And then there's also a way to usually observe the city council meetings.
Speaker 2:Facebook yeah, Facebook yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you can tune in and listen and watch if you don't show up in person. But if you have a dog in the fight or if you're a cannabis you know patient or you know work at a cannabis industry facility, then consider showing up.
Speaker 2:Oh man, it's going to get so much money. Instead of people like landing here and just driving up to the mountain, like have them stay here, go to some of the restaurants downtown. You'll be able to take a day before they have to drive three hours into the mountains. You know, like we have restaurants closing all around town and we're just letting people drive away.
Speaker 1:And Manitou is. You know they've got some kind of crowding and congestion issues because there's a non-stop kind of snail trail of people going through there to go get their cannabis right. Yeah. So it's just ridiculous. Maybe they like it, maybe Manitou's like no, that's fine right, but I think tourism is just as much. I think.
Speaker 2:Manitou is fighting us, or like is on the side of us, not getting it for that reason, because they get a lot of money from me.
Speaker 1:Everybody gets pushed up that way.
Speaker 2:But at the same time, there's still a lot of people that go further up into the mountains and these are folks that want to spend their tax money here or their money here, and we get the tax benefits from that. So, yeah, it's just something that has to happen and we need to start thinking just past our own little narrow way of thinking, own little narrow way of thinking.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll see what happens, but the history tells us that this currently seated city council, they've got a plan, they've got an initiative and it's not pro-cannabis.
Speaker 1:Yeah, crow Iverson, she's definitely targeted this as one of her key issues Personal branding there you know this is what I fight for one of her key issues because she keeps being personal branding there. You know this is this is what I fight for. So you know we've got to, we've got to support it and try to make the ordinances make sense. So please consider that on Tuesday Now we asked a few weeks back for input from our listeners and so today's episode we're going to dig into a little bit of feedback that we got from some some of our listeners, and Adam is the one that checks the email account. So, adam, let's talk about the one of the progressive name. I guess. Okay, and kind of what's going on in the party with the word progressive and how that plays out in elections or public messaging or public messaging.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so somebody reached out to me just calling Bob, talking about how the progressive name has been hijacked, and he gave me an email. I gave him a long response and then he responded to me with some key points about losing issues that he sees for the Democratic Party. Spending money on trans surgery is a losing issue. Supporting trans surgery is a losing issue. Supporting Hamas is a losing issue. I don't think anybody supports Hamas.
Speaker 1:Just for a quick fact check Right, but when you say pro-Palestinian, he's mixing those two things together.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:Which in the Americans that guys, is not incorrect. Right, a lot of people do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I don't think our elected officials are doing that, or like the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1:On the Democratic side? No, but yes, I can see where.
Speaker 2:But on the other side, absolutely, it's all the same. Right, but yeah, I'm still going to call out something like that Allowing 10 million to falsely claim asylum is a losing issue. Not vetting immigrants is a losing issue. Complaining of rich getting older when you are rich Oprah Obama or Biden is a losing issue. Not making Europe pay for its defense is a losing issue. So he thinks that all these things are things that we should not be messaging, should not be selling, or at least not prioritizing in our messaging. When it comes to the rich getting richer, the folks that are complaining about that, it's because they have a platform and they can. Poor people have been bitching about it For a long time. We've been saying this and nobody listens. So when it starts getting to the point where other people are saying it instead of just discounting it, because whatever lavish lifestyle they're leading, the truth is still there, sure. So don't discount something just because of the messenger.
Speaker 1:So I hear this one a lot and I agree with the listener that wrote in on the tax the rich. That was the working family party. That's their like tagline tax the rich period and it doesn't matter, don't qualify it period like, do not put any qualifiers on that. If you're super rich, we want your money. Yes, we are going to redistribute wealth. Right, I am okay with that yeah and, and so that's I am.
Speaker 1:Here's my answer, here's my libertarian. I get my brain kicking here and I say, ok, that person even if they are, which not every single billionaire is skirting tax liabilities and taxes. It's a lie, man. It's a lie. Like those people. There's nobody that pays zero taxes, but anyways, for somebody who does, let's say somebody makes you know, they're $10 million a year, right, they're a CEO at some hospital and they make quite a bit of money, then they're paying their taxes. That person, at whatever tax rate they're at right now, pays more taxes than the person who's complaining to me earns in a year, earns in five years, and definitely more taxes than they pay in those five years. And so I say how, how is that person who made $10 million and paid $2.5 million in taxes? What are you telling me about? How they did not contribute to society? They paid $2.5 million in taxes in one year and you may not earn that amount of money in your entire life.
Speaker 1:And so the argument is fair share. Now that's a slippery slope for me, libertarian dick, because the percentage will never end. And we can look at Europe as their general tax rates. They're at 50, 60% for people that are not billionaires. I mean 50 cents of every dollar you earn goes either into sales tax, because it's 18 to 20%, or income tax, which is 30 to 40%. You're at a 50 to 60% effective tax rate there. Where's the fair share right? That idea of fair share falls apart with me completely and I say I think somebody who paid $2.5 million paid their fair share.
Speaker 2:Well, but if your percentage is so much higher than that though, because Elon Musk, he said he paid $4 million or something like that, which was like 2% of his income, Sure, sure.
Speaker 1:And we can fix the loopholes. I think that allow for so much sheltering, but I don't care about your unrealized gains. I don't care about that. You know what I'm saying? Stock price is not money, right?
Speaker 2:Right, but he used those unrealized gains to buy Twitter. So he used unrealized gains to buy something. So that's a realized gain.
Speaker 1:Not really, because the stock of Twitter is all that. Unrealized gains were transferred from one company to another and there was no real value there and he owned both sides of that loss of value either way. You see what I'm saying. And so he gave money basically to himself. It's all fake money and he doesn't.
Speaker 2:You know fake money.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and so I'm. I'm just saying that, uh yeah, Are there some people who figured out how to abuse it and abuse it? Well, sure, but I just don't. I don't see and I don't believe in the concept of there's hard property and equipment. It's not even, it's not even 20% of that right Of. If you took all the money that you say Elon Musk has for real assets is maybe maybe 20% of that. So he does not have $300 billion. No, he does not. You see what I'm saying. But people say he should pay a billion dollars in taxes every year. Well then, after about 10 years he would be actually broke because all his assets would get hilted out. And you know, real money versus fake money like squishy stock money is not the same. And I just don't know where. Fair share? I hear that word out of democrat mouths all the time and I don't know what it means what did you think of?
Speaker 2:like? Think of, like Ralph Nader's like flat tax. Love it yeah.
Speaker 1:Love it. Yeah, I'm all about it, that's true.
Speaker 2:So everybody, I think it was like 5% or something like that.
Speaker 1:That's fine yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, just everybody just throw, and Trump has talked about a flat tax.
Speaker 1:It's actually a Republican talking point that floats around every now and then of not just getting rid of the IRS because it's like a federal program, but more of like let's simplify the tax code by having flat income tax, or get rid of income tax and have a different sales tax structure that feeds every kind of bucket right Like there's some way to get rid of the complexity of the tax code, which would stop billionaires from being able to exploit some of the loopholes that they have. Yeah, but I just I don't believe in tax the rich for all the reasons that I just said, you know. So, um, I don't think they're not doing their fair share. I just that's all I feel about it. Yeah, I also plan on being a billionaire someday and if you come after my money, I'm gonna get upset, you know what I'm saying 50 cent that's why he likes donald Cause he's rich, you know he doesn't care that he's a racist.
Speaker 1:He doesn't care that he's can't read. You know what I'm saying? He's like I like my money and Donald Trump's going to help me keep my money. So guess what? I'm voting for Donald Trump, you know isn't 50 cent.
Speaker 2:Like a famous P Diddy hater too, Maybe I don the original.
Speaker 1:Drake and Kendrick Lamar was Diddy and 50 back in the day. So yeah, that's I hear. You know that's just one topic out of a million there where he said, like these are losing arguments, yeah, but the progressive term, I get what he's going for there in that when in not just in Democratic circles, but if we're the general population and you use the word progressive, the topics that he listed are what comes to mind, you know, and in any individual is going to pick maybe one or two of those and go, oh yeah, historical progressivism and some of the politicians that have delivered things to us that really have changed the shape of America. I felt like those were just like last week when you said Jimmy Carter was really a progressive example, a very progressive example. You had some other really great ones.
Speaker 2:And I think that they capture the essence of what we think of as progressivism better than the topics that he listed. Yeah, so my little paragraph to him here was progressive politicians have shaped the America we know from Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation to Teddy Roosevelt, fighting for the unions and creating oversight for corporations, fdr's New Deal and even Johnson Eddy Medicare in 65. These presidents and congressmen who wrote the laws fought for demographics who were ignored and or abused. So that was kind of the message that I wanted to give. It's a wide net because you look at Republican, republican and then Democrat, democrat there this progressive term can go across everyone and it's not just.
Speaker 2:It's just about fighting for people that can't fight for themselves, marginalized yeah, marginalized communities, and about fighting for people that can't fight marginalized yeah, marginalized communities and making sure that you know, government doesn't get too big to where or, excuse me, the corporations don't get too big where they.
Speaker 1:They abuse their people, yeah, and that's kind of what government's there, for I think that protection of the marginalized populations is, is always, has always been, a hallmark of progressivism. I completely agree with that. I want to observe and I don't really have an opinion on this, but I think it's worth observing that the size of what was considered this marginalized or protected minority, the group of people that needed some kind of drastic cultural change to be, to be able to realize the American dream, we, we, if we get in our time machine and go backwards to the emancipation proclamation I don't know the makeup of, you know ratio of, uh, black people to white people in America in 1860. I don't know, but let's just say it was 60% white and 40% black. That's a 40% minority. That's huge, that's not just double digits, that's almost half of America needed drastic social change. Then we move forward to women suffrage. That is half of America. Well, it didn't necessarily include every racial group. That was half of America that needed social change to realize the American dream, right. Then we talk about Medicare and some of the social programs of this of the last century, of the 1900s, and again we're talking about 20 to 30% of the population that are elderly or about to be right. We're talking about the other bottom half of the income bracket is, you know, maybe 10% of the country. So you may be 20% elderly, 10% low income and like we're at 30% as a people who need to be represented. Now here we are today where we're in single digit groups.
Speaker 1:The marginalized are 2% of the United States and they get to they I don't say they get to the party or the social elements of progressivism raise up the 2% minority with the exact same language and ferocity as the 40% minority. And I think that's where the disconnect for most Americans who are not bleeding heart lefties. They say why now we've gotten too far. Right, like the fringe is not what I care about. 40% of people needed something. We need to overhaul that 2%. I'm never going to vote on that and I need you to stop talking about it. Right, like, if you want to legislate about it, go for it, but if you want a message to me about it, please stop Right, because I've got other things that I care about that affect 98% of the people, not 2% of the people. Let's work on those.
Speaker 1:And that's where middle of the road people fall is.
Speaker 1:I don't need to hear nonstop beat me over the head. This is how you must think and live messaging over a two or 3% population of my neighbors and that I think that's what he's talking about, and so that's my observation is that we went from serving progressive change to 40% to 3% and there's we're continuing to seek for even smaller and smaller fringe groups to put at the very top of the priority list, and it seems like it's this I don't know what the point of that is. You know what I'm saying. I don't know if it's the politicians themselves get credit or headlines for doing something. Is it truly because activists within those 2% groups have taken the mantle to go and be lobbyists and talk and get serious about activism, like? I can't tell you where that comes from, but I can say that the party takes that issue that affects so few people and is also kind of isolated from most people's existence and puts it as the crown jewel, and that is a huge disconnect from the average voter, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean we saw that in November. That's kind of the results people are kind of looking at right now. For me personally and I told this to the person that wrote it in you know, I, I support that the transgender community a hundred percent and I always will. To me, they're, they're, they're people that you know need to be protected and you know need support from everywhere. So, like I, I told him, like this is one of my causes, that that I, I'll always support them. But if you don't want to support that one, just pick up another one, as long as you're not leading from a position of hate or anger. You know, if you I mentioned this a couple of weeks ago too where, like, we caused this problem a lot because, you know, we gave time and attention over and over and over to subjects. Now people are like, oh, that's too much, you know. So there's some of that too, too. Where, like, the media just leans into these things because if you go to fox news, you see four transgender stories yeah, you go to rooters.
Speaker 1:You don't see any, that's true, yeah you know, so you know people. Their algorithm knows them oh for sure they feed this anger they feed this hate.
Speaker 2:Um. So you know now, that is a very true statement people can you know, complain about, you know it only being two percent, but like they deserve happiness and and I think your- statement a minute ago of care about something else, go work on what you care about, right?
Speaker 1:yeah, and that is the what the essence of a big tent party is supposed to be, right, and democrats by and large are supposed to be this coalition um smattering of diverse people who need representation, right? It's not homogeny.
Speaker 2:There's very little homogeny on the left and Democratic side of the party, right, you mentioned this being, when you come in you say something that they don't believe in, that they beat you up and they can kind of push you out. But even within their own circles, if they don't get their way, they bitch and moan and walk out the door. Sure, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:so, like they want to be a big tent, but then they don't know how to talk to each other, like, yes, inside their own circles, yeah, there is um a false hope for a big tent party. Sometimes and I was, uh, you know, adam's referring to my experiences back in new mexico I heard, yeah, it's a big tent party, but then when I would show up I'm not, this is not the thing I'm going to champion and like get hot about, I would be just down, you know, I'd be kind of beat down Like hey, get in line, you know, and like, well, what do you care about? You know, and I just my, basically my credentials as the Democrat were always under question. Right, like, if you don't think this thing's important, then you must not be a democrat. Yeah, and I got tired of having to like you know well, people up here do it too yeah I think the party does it everywhere and there's just the supposed.
Speaker 1:You know, every region, state, whatever, has their pet issues that are hot right there. And yeah there's.
Speaker 2:You're gonna catch some abuse if you don't get in line with that idea and every and I I know it's a lot of people to have a lot of thoughts and opinions, but not enough time to actually work on them, so they just they just spout them off and like expect shit to happen and it's like no man like, if you want to have these great thoughts and ideas put in the work too.
Speaker 1:Yeah Now, yes, that that's the. There's degrees of of activism, and there's most people who never, ever do any of it right. And then there's the people who will show up and get involved with the political party or with the lobbying group, and and then even then there's a degree within that of are you really gonna flesh out your thought and put some work into this and go show up and speak somewhere? Are you just gonna come to meetings every now and then and crank out a yeah, like a troll, troll inspired soundbite and then leave?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know, or or like, just share something like oh, this is stupid, this needs to happen, this needs to happen. It's like well, that's not useful at all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, and so you're right. There's the I think, the encouragement to, to the listener who wrote to us um of of Pick an issue that you do think is important and get your own momentum behind it. Get other people within the party or wherever your district, precinct whatever, behind it and try to make that the loudest bell that people are dinging Like you have the power to do that.
Speaker 2:Absolutely yeah, and at the caucus and at these reorgs we reorg for the Democratic Party February 8th. Okay, so if people want to be involved with that Committee assignments and things like that, okay so. So if people want to be involved with committee assignments and things like that, and so that's where the uh chair it's called the platform committee.
Speaker 1:There'll be a platform committee for the state Right and every two years usually they rewrite or they reestablish the platform and review what changes, what doesn't change, you know, and so that you know any listener who's really motivated. I was the alternate on the platform committee down in New Mexico and I did. I basically recuse myself throughout the whole thing because I just didn't. I didn't agree with a lot of it and I also knew that they didn't want to hear me say that.
Speaker 1:So because I was an alternate, didn't have to vote I just never voted Right. And I gave no comment really, but I was there, that I gave no comment really, but I was there. So, but I would rather be the guy who just says well, I'll, I'll be here, but I'm just, I'm not going to make a stink because I know that it's not worth it. Right, like, versus not showing up at all or being obstinate and causing problems for people. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I had the opportunity to do that and I didn't yeah.
Speaker 2:All right. So the next thing we wanted to kind of hit or keep hitting is about President Jimmy Carter. We're still in that national period of mourning.
Speaker 1:Today is the funeral. Today is his funeral.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's being broadcast right now. He's laying in state at the Capitol. One of the things that I saw yesterday when he was being carried, his pallbearers were submariners. Okay, and I did not know that he was a submariner. You know, shame on me for not. You know, knowing that? Sure, because that's a pretty elite career field Especially back when he did Like that was like World War II yeah.
Speaker 1:Like that was like a tin can like getting dropped in the ocean.
Speaker 2:Screamed over a submarine, yeah, but can like getting dropped in the ocean, yeah, but yeah, it's just wild to me that you know, as a president, his military service wasn't even really highlighted. You know, you never really, I never heard about. You know his time in the service, whereas you know other folks it's really big on their things and you know big in their bios, yeah, um for sure, you told a story earlier about, uh, something that happened to him yeah, I'm in the same boat, adam that I wasn't very aware of his military service.
Speaker 1:I just knew him as a president and then all of his work after being a president. But when he was in the Navy, the story that I heard because it was someone saying that he had such an extraordinary life that there was it's almost like a forrest gump's tale of like so many amazing things that happened to him throughout his time and this one fits into that folklore like big time he was on top of a submarine in the water, but standing outside the submarine, on the, on the top of the canister, as you say, you know the tin can, he's standing on the boat right and there was high winds and high seas and he he got swept off the boat and then that wave that swept him off reversed and swept him back onto the boat Right, so he was lost out to sea and then swept back on and survived and was fine, like not even injured.
Speaker 1:He was MAA for like three seconds, yeah, just for a few seconds, but he was, you know, off the boat in the water and then back on the boat.
Speaker 2:What a crazy stroke of luck. Bad luck seconds, but he, he was, you know, off the boat in the water and then back on the boat.
Speaker 1:Stroke of luck, bad luck then, good luck like I'll call it all good luck, I think, and the fact that he made it. Why are you on top of the boat at all?
Speaker 2:yeah, it's like any pilot, you know a five. Or any safe landings a five, you know at least you know that you walk away from yeah, yeah yeah, so, man, that was just insane to think about being either lost at sea or drop back onto your right.
Speaker 1:I mean, you've got to think, for, like you said, for those few seconds I'm now going to die in the ocean and then, all of a sudden, your feet are on something solid.
Speaker 2:You're like what am I standing on? It's like Moana. When, like Molly kept trying to throw Moana.
Speaker 1:I've only seen a little bit of. I have kids, but I don't have much more.
Speaker 2:I have them memorized, so if we need to go into chorus, or anything.
Speaker 1:Just let me know Fair.
Speaker 1:All right, you probably sing as good as the Rock, so I assume, Well, that is a Jimmy Carter's military service is something that again in America, something that's changed, in that the percentage of people who are politicians that had military experience has gone down over the years because we didn know. We didn't have world wars and drafts where people were compelled to serve. We haven't had that same kind of environment. So now we have a political class of people that have lower representation of veterans inside of it versus when Jimmy Carter was becoming a politician back then. Maybe that's why his service was not as promoted, because so many men that were his age were veterans.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it wasn't voluntary, you know, like everybody was well, not everybody. Most people were involved.
Speaker 1:Yeah, were called up, sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, were in the draft or at least had a chance to go on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Some folks Now if you had a story of heroism or some amazing thing behind you or you were the general, those things got promoted as political talking points. But if that's not the case, then what's getting swept out to those in the back is pretty cool and he probably talked about it in some stump speeches here and there, but it wasn't his service was common in the voter base at that time.
Speaker 2:Did you ever hear Daniel Inouye's story? Well, probably, but he was the first elected representative for Hawaii, okay. Then became their senator and, being, like president, pro tempore, japanese American, okay, now I do know who you're talking about when Pearl Harbor got attacked. That was the last name that I wasn't sure on. Yeah, he got put into a concentration camp, but whatever internment camp.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he got put in an internment camp, got out of there, ended up commissioning.
Speaker 2:Led a charge in Italy for a hill, had his arm blown off, took the grenade out of his blown off arm, threw it into the bunker, took the bunker like still rallied his troops to go, keep going and fighting and stuff like that, and then went on to become, like you know, uh, hawaii's first representative for states or for Senator things like that. Uh, just incredible, amazing story of heroism. Um, that I I didn't know about until like I was sitting in a command center and I looked up at the they had who's president at the time and the whole list of people who are the chain of command. Yeah, the chain of command. You know how it rolls out Secretary of defense.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it got this Senate pro tempore.
Speaker 2:I'm like those are words I don't know.
Speaker 1:So I had to look at it.
Speaker 2:I looked up this guy and I read his story. I was like Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1:He should.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, some of those stories. But again, so many people had those stories, yeah, and they just didn't share them, like they do now.
Speaker 1:That's true, yeah, but I think that, again, as we talked about Jimmy Carter as an example last week, that's just his military services. One more thing that, of course, Adam and I respect. Any American today can look at and say that that's just part of the bigger picture in the whole package of why he was such a kind of a special person at the time when he was able to do his politics so well. Thank you for bringing that up. I'm glad we talked about it today, because last week really focused on his presidential time and his legacy thereafter. But we're the veterans podcast, so we should probably talk about his military service, so doing that today on his funeral feels like the right, honorable thing to do.
Speaker 1:You know, I'm sure his uh, I saw, like you said, I saw some pallbearers and I saw the flag on his casket and I think recognizing his service and and some of the amazing parts of it is is really fitting for such a special guy. Yeah, Well, thanks everybody for listening to left face. Uh, please, as we mentioned last week, check us out on Blue Sky. We responded to some email comments today, so we'll keep on that If you write us or have some ideas for us to talk about. Please get in touch and we will catch you all next time on Left Face.
