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Navigating the Maze of Biased News and Political Messaging
The fine line between news and propaganda is blurring, with biased sources and echo chambers dominating the American political landscape. This episode takes you on a journey through this maze, shedding light on the right's repackaging of pro-life messaging and the alarming possibility of democracy's end game. Get ready for a deep dive into how to determine valid news and spot hidden biases, while understanding the impact of tying news to a personality rather than the truth itself.
The ripple effects of American politics are felt globally, and the world is watching. We unpack the global perceptions, from mistrust to outright paranoia, fueled by President Trump's handling of sensitive nuclear secrets and military strategies. Brace yourself as we question the corporate takeover of media, its stifling of independent voices, and the dangerous potential of fear-based messaging that can strip away the rights of minorities and disadvantaged communities.
Are you ready for a reality check? The cult of personality around President Trump has deep-rooted effects, creating echo chambers that breed mistrust and fear. We explore the anti-woke movement and the rise of celebrity politics, and how these factors are impacting the political discourse. We end this episode on a solemn note as we discuss the effects of pervasive news consumption, and how we can reclaim balance by reducing our screen time and connecting more with the world around us. Lastly, we delve into the hypocrisy behind politicians' promises and the importance of staying informed, making this episode a must-listen for those invested in the future of democracy. Tune in!
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Speaker 1:Uh, on this week's podcast, uh, gabe joins me again and we just kind of talk about current political events and some of the uh, the pop politics going on to in today's day and age and where we get our new sources from and how we determine what's a what is a valid new source. So, uh, tune in. Uh, it's another long one, so pace yourself and I will catch you on the other side. A couple of days ago, somebody sent me a, a link to. I think it was an NBC newscast is one of the news, not Fox news. So it was more, you know, left-leaning newscast. But they started talking about how, uh, the right is trying to repackage their whole pro life message. Um, and, you know, the day prior, the day or two prior, uh, trump was in South Dakota, right, uh, and he made that statement. Where about, you know, roe versus Wade probably cost them some votes and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I yeah, you did.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And then I found it ironic that now Fox news and things like that not ironic. I found it directed. I found it not ironic at all. I found it very directed that now there's other politicians on the right side coming out and saying things like oh, you know, you know, we want exceptions, you know, for birth control or for abortions and things like that. And it's like, yeah, that's what we've been saying all along. Like, like, how you can see a little shift, that that you know, their decision to overturn Roe versus Wade costs them some elections and some votes in the midterms. And now they're trying to, um, really control the narrative on what they mean by pro, like cause. Like they can sit there and say, oh, we need to have exceptions for rape, incest and things like that, Right, but you don't like the laws that are being passed? Fuckin, don't you know?
Speaker 2:so uh, yeah, I mean, you see that pretty much all of it, even down to the Supreme Court. Uh, hearings, but the Supreme Court, just hearings, when they were asked specifically, would you overturn Roe v Wade? And they say everything that you know is a blade. We knew it was a blatant lie. We knew when they said it. We knew that by their actions beforehand it was a lie. We knew when they told us that under oath it was a lie and we still let it happen. And guess what? It was a lie. Yeah, but so they've seen that they. They now realize, I think on the messaging at least they're they're attempting to gaslight as far as saying what you've seen me do, that's not really what it meant, right? No, no, no, because they've seen that their aggressive messaging was a disaster. Yeah, and so they're trunk. They're going to attempt to gaslight all of us into voting for them to give them another chance. But that would be absolutely the end of democracy.
Speaker 1:So what do you think they would like? How do you convince a populace, how do you keep convincing a populace that next time you're going to have their best interest at heart, honestly like, how do they?
Speaker 2:keep doing this.
Speaker 1:Because humans are stupid.
Speaker 2:I mean I have. No, I don't have, I don't have an answer. Yeah, I thought I would have. I don't have an answer for that. It seems, whatever message is pushed through your, your, your, your, your new source of choice, you are getting a message and it appears that the American people, as long as that message feels good to them, then that's reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that I don't know how you keep doing it, other than people just want to live in their own fantasy world without doing any work to make it real. I don't know, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 1:So, like when you get your news, what do you do to make sure that you're getting unbiased news? So that is a very good question because I the bias.
Speaker 2:And what? What do we mean by biased news?
Speaker 1:Well, so, so let me throw this out at you I like news that doesn't tie it to a person directly. You know what I mean. So like, whenever I'm reading an article and it says, well, the Trump administration did this. But it's talking about something like like President Trump probably had nothing, no fucking clue what happened with that. You know what I mean. So like, but they tie it to a name just to like, try to drag it down or to paint that negative correct connotation, like. I like to like sources that don't have that garbage in it. Okay, um, but yeah, uh, how do you choose? Where do you? Where you get your?
Speaker 2:news from Sure, and that is. I think that's a great way to explain what you mean by bias. If you can pick out the other or the they in their argument, it's probably a bias, right? Uh, so I don't like the biases either. I remember CNN for a while was when I trusted for news and even though they were doing a lot more of the siloing off of people and the biased reporting, it wasn't as bad as until like a year ago. I have noticed a huge drama yeah.
Speaker 2:So these days and like MSNBC, you can even get some of their anti-Trump pro whoever's in the democratic side argument, instead of saying, look, this is a problem, yeah, trump, right, the moment is the problem, but this is a problem also for Democrats. It's very Democrat versus Republican, yeah, and I try to stay away from that as well.
Speaker 1:Well, I think I can't remember if it was us that was talking about it, like that's what the forefathers intended. Or like George Washington specifically said, like don't don't do the political party thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, at least don't have a two party system.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think yeah. So, and we can see it, because it's now us first them in, absolutely everything and it's so easy to sell fear and hatred.
Speaker 1:It is, you know, and that's what we see with like. I've been looking at a lot of marketing, sciences and stuff like that lately and it's crazy how easy it is to manipulate people into thinking whatever the hell you want them to think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it doesn't matter if it's left or right. Right, I can see that paranoia being used on both sides. Right, and that's a problem. If the news, if the, if the news story of that moment, if the overwhelming emotion that comes from it is paranoia or fear, you should ask yourself why is that? Is this justified? Is this something I really should be super afraid? Like they're trying to push Mm?
Speaker 2:Hmm, I tend to go with more like independent podcasts these days that pull the source. They'll show the source from, like CNN or MSNBC or even Fox News, yeah, and they'll pull the source and discuss it in A candid way, but in but not in a Democrat versus Republicans is very much this person. This is the news. Yeah, of course some of them have personal biases where, of course, I'm not going to like Trump. Yes, I can be unbiased, but I still don't like him. Yeah, so that's going to come out, obviously. But if you research or go back and check the news articles, they're not putting their own personal spin on it. There's not something that you find out later wasn't really the whole truth of what they were saying. You can go back to the, to some of these sources, and realize that they were giving you the story. Yeah, um. So it's mostly independent podcasts these days.
Speaker 1:Uh, yeah, I think after the daily show, like our generation, like we take news differently than what uh, you know the previous generations we don't sit down and listen to Walter Cronkite. You know, right, you know we wait for the three minute tiktok of you know John Stewart saying something and I'm like, yeah, yeah, he's right.
Speaker 1:And it's fun, yeah, you know. So we get entertained as we get our news, but people don't know where to draw that line between entertainment and editorials, right and so, or news and editorials, it's all entertainment, but the news and editorial. And I mean there's been lawsuits against some of these jokers and they've lost because the like their lawyers have argued like, oh no, we expect people to know that he's an idiot and not to listen to what he's saying.
Speaker 2:Tucker Carlson that was theirs. Uh, alex Jonah Jones, I think the same issue happened. I think, frequently within. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Frequently within yes, yeah, exactly. So I still love Alex Jones man. I used to watch this shit so much like back when, like the nine 11 experiences were kind of you know, really taken flight and, like you know, three, oh four and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right, yeah.
Speaker 1:But like there came a point where, like it stopped being like going down a rabbit hole and they were just like screaming at you and it's like I'm over this, you know.
Speaker 2:And then again. That's where you can see that fear and paranoia was being used as the main marketing Right.
Speaker 1:That was the main marketing gimmick yeah.
Speaker 2:Because does Alex Jones really believe that Sandy Hook wasn't real? No, of course not. Of course not. He doesn't believe that. But that's what he sold was the fear and paranoia of it. Yeah, and you can see it and when I start to see that in a news source, I just don't. I don't consume any of their media.
Speaker 1:I was watching Fox News the other day and they had on there a trucker because the new regulations for trucks coming out there like it's being more and more stringent, right, and like they're trying to, you know, be more green and less carbon emissions and stuff like that, right, and they were like you know, they were like I don't know. They had this guy on there and the guy was talking about how terrible these you know rules are going to be for the trucker and all which is going to cost independent truckers and things like that.
Speaker 2:And like he went.
Speaker 1:He went into this whole thing and like like I felt bad for the guy. He made a good point, um, and so I went and looked at like the documentation of it, like it was for like a model year like 28, where it starts so like there's no like immediate threat or immediate impact. No, it was of course not. And so, and like when I was listening to him talk though, everything was speculative, well, this could happen, this could happen, and if this keeps going on, this is going to happen, but none of that has happened and none of that will happen. Right, like it's just crazy how speculative it was just to drive up that fear.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know well, you can say the same about, say, renewable energy news. For years, decades, it's always been well, it's going to take the jobs or it's going to kill off all these birds. Blah, blah, blah, blah, but it hasn't. Yes, there's more bird deaths with a big windmill, but not.
Speaker 2:I mean, do we remember 2010 in the BP oil spill? Oh right, I do, right, and I remember the millions of animals we had to clean up from it. Yes, so I think you know maybe four or five dead bald eagles. The years Not bad, was that? The deep water horizon? Yeah, yeah, and I was down there. Yeah, I lived in Biloxi at the time. That was my home, and it just blows my mind that the messaging is always the speculative fear of green energy, right, and all the bad is going to do, but we can see the bad that what we're doing is doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and we'll be doing for the next 200 years in the Gulf. I'm sorry, tell me again about the four dead bald eagles from one windmill.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, we have like dead spots in the Gulf right now from.
Speaker 2:And they're getting worse, yeah, much worse.
Speaker 1:It's from you know just unsustainable farming practices. You know we dump all these chemicals on things and then dump it all into the Gulf.
Speaker 2:And then we have, whenever the Mississippi starts pouring out, even more, we have even more anoxic zones that are dead, big dead zones from that more and more every year. Yeah, and we're seeing. It's the messaging. So when you do see a lot of, when you see a lot of the negative, fear-based messaging, it's probably some sort of agenda that doesn't actually exist. Yeah, but I'm sorry, it's an agenda based off of a reality that doesn't exist, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a fear driven.
Speaker 2:Yes, and you're right about the regulations coming into effect in 20, in 28, and you know it's staggered from there. Yeah, no one's ever saying it's going to be immediate. Tomorrow we're taking your truck. Yeah, no one's saying that, dick, this is Andre. Well, that would be stupid. The only ones that would do that would be an idiot, which is why it's not happening, right, yeah?
Speaker 1:And that's you know. We keep going Republicans.
Speaker 2:Unless you keep going, yeah, and then we see rights taken away, the next day.
Speaker 1:It's hilarious how they've turned that whole narrative around too. You know about like, oh, they're coming to you know, take your guns and do all this other stuff, and like they use that to erode rights themselves and take away you know rights from. You know other minorities and things like other you know disadvantaged communities. Well, that's what the whole chess move is about.
Speaker 2:It's the whole chess move. You're just trying to fill the board with your color. I know it's not chess Bad analogy.
Speaker 1:Bad analogy.
Speaker 2:But that's been the whole strategic moves for the last couple decades. And guess what? The people that pushed all that are still in government. It's sad to say that. One generation, how strong you can play the politics. And again, the messaging with corporate media is a big thing, because you do see a lot of the smaller, more independent news stations we used to have bought out by Fox or CNN or MSNBC, and they now have a corporate message that has to be pushed, regardless of if it's pro-democrat, pro-republican, it doesn't matter, it's still a message that needs and requires a lot of fact checking to make sure it's not a false narrative message. Right, yeah, and I don't think we see enough of that due diligence being done by consumers of media. Well, that's you know.
Speaker 1:I think with the advent of that streaming and stuff like that, there's TV news media, so like the local channels that will talk a little more clear and without as much prejudice as the big national. You know, like Fox News National is not Fox News local right? No, that's true, but nobody watches that anymore. So like we just go to those far left, far right news sources instead of focusing on like the local stuff, like the local news that actually matters to us.
Speaker 2:Well, and that's been a push too. We saw it with the. I remember the arguments, these exact arguments, being made 20 years ago when paper newspaper started going out and it was well, how do we get an independent news voice then? And then I remember, too, that same argument a couple of well maybe a decade ago, with even television news going out. The same argument, but it seems and maybe this is just me not looking hard enough it seems like that concern just isn't there as much anymore. No one cares, as not no one, but as a majority, that argument doesn't seem to be there of independent, unbiased news. We just want the news source that agrees with that, agrees with my personal biases via MSNBC, CNN, Fox News. It caters to your personal biases and doesn't make you think outside the box from a different perspective.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, because if you're thinking outside, that's a scary place to be. It is yes, and we wouldn't want that Because it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I'm going to call myself a Democrat, watch MSNBC and get whatever messaging is there, which, I would argue, is not always the most correct way to be.
Speaker 1:I always try to bounce back and forth between my news sources Because one I enjoy talking politics. But you have to be able to understand where other people are coming from, and if you know somebody is just being fed one scenario or one perspective, you need to know that they're coming from that spot.
Speaker 2:Well, that's true, and we were talking about it earlier. With the international news, that's a big thing too. If you ask any American who's never seen news from outside the United States about the US, all they've consumed is say local MSNBC or Fox, whatever, would they be surprised that the rest of the world doesn't even give a shit that there's Democrats and Republicans, they're all just the same, foolish politicians. Yeah, americans like it.
Speaker 1:Right, yeah, basically.
Speaker 2:America can't be trusted. They're just a bunch of fools making fools themselves in their own country. That is the popular opinion, what the news headlines are like around the world.
Speaker 1:And so just to dive into the can't be trusted. Why do you say Americans can't be trusted on a global, like world view span standpoint?
Speaker 2:Right on a global standpoint. Well, Trump, we have nuclear secrets and battle plans of different nations given to who we don't even know who. Yeah, so if you're that country or a country in the world, you know that the US probably has top secret documents on you, but now you don't know if your enemies have it Right and even the stuff that we know he had, like they ran the attack plans and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:That's just what we that he admitted to on tape.
Speaker 2:Oh right, yeah, that wasn't yeah.
Speaker 1:So, like, like, all of our allies should work, because, like, like, he's somebody that wants to be able to, like have compromised information.
Speaker 2:You know, like, like, that's the type of power that he wants and everybody knows that, regardless of what he says, we all know why you have that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so every ally of ours could be. You know you should be questioning like is any of their top secret information out there, correct? So?
Speaker 2:like and I just saw an article this morning that I didn't read the whole thing so I don't have all the details, but basically the FBI is looking at another secret. I think it was a secret office of Trump's where they're sure there's more documents he's been holding are located, so we still don't even know how bad it was. So, on a geopolitical standpoint, globally, yeah, the US can't be trusted. Yeah, no leader in their right mind would ever trust us with anything.
Speaker 2:And now we're going to be even more or even less helpful with any information we do give them about anybody else. So the rest of the world sees that. They know that. But the US with its downplaying all of it and its political messaging here we don't get the perspective of outside the US and it's eye opening to know how little respect there is because of our politicians actions. Yeah, there's no respect or trust for the US, regardless of what the news will tell you, and that's sad because we're essentially living in, say, china with their great firewall. We essentially live in a world that isn't real. The opinions that we have about ourselves and what the rest of the world have about us aren't real. But that's the messaging that we're being given. Yeah, because we don't get that other perspective. But where do you get some of your news?
Speaker 1:I really like Rooters. Okay, just because they cut out a lot of bullshit, you can take a four page article from the box for CNN and Rooters has it down to a paragraph. Oh, that's so helpful, I love it. They're like this happened, this happened. We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2:You know what it's cool? I do remember yeah.
Speaker 1:They're not better about just cutting out the BS. I remember being in Athens, greece, back in 2009 when they were having some riots. There Is the financial crisis there. This was just before that. It kind of played into it. So like in December, the cops killed a kid. Okay Wow, I don't remember that yeah. So like that started these protests that I was there for in January. I guess it was Rooters. That was the first time that I watched Al Jazeer.
Speaker 2:Oh, I just forget about that.
Speaker 1:Because I was in the hotel in Athens downtown. But growing up that's a terrorist network. You don't watch them. I grew up in the same thing you just talk to not believe it, Dan thing, Because it's Al Jazeer at least Right. And it's not a guitar, but they do not fucking pull punches when it comes to talking about the US, and that's why we're told not to fucking listen to them. Right, exactly. But when that riot was going on, they had outstanding coverage in the street.
Speaker 2:I usually do.
Speaker 1:I don't know just how they made it real there's dead bodies in the street. They showed them and they were like this is what's going on. And they kind of just put it all out there and I thought that was good for a news organization to not sugarcoat things and show the atrocities that are going on. It makes it a lot more real when you're voting my dad was in Saudi Arabia in 2000, 2001.
Speaker 2:Doing some contracts, some telecommunication stuff out there. But there was a Babe Root I think was bombed during that time. There was some bombings. It was close to him. I was young. I don't remember exactly, but I do remember CNN. Is that the towers? Cobar towers? No, that was earlier. It was some. I don't remember that.
Speaker 1:That's one of those CBTs that we've had a million times. Yes, you should probably know it. I've definitely clicked through it.
Speaker 2:many, many, times, but he was over there and so I was big into watching the news at the time. For a kid like global news for the first time in my life Because my dad was there, right, Right yeah, but I do remember seeing the explosions and I remember seeing just the raw power of the devastation, yeah.
Speaker 2:And then I look at it now at the news and we have atrocities happening all over the planet. I guarantee CNN has or any of these news organizations. The organizations have footage of we're not seeing them Well, and my opinion from the news corporate media side has been to downplay anything about the world outside, even down to the point of showing you people dying because of XYZ to give us a realistic view of the world. So as long as we have a rosy picture, everything's fine out there. We can continue only focusing on the bullshit here.
Speaker 1:Well, when 9-11 happened, they took a lot of shit for re-showing a lot of the stuff. Yeah, I remember that Because it got gratuitous, when, like they just kept showing it over and over and over again, it's like, okay, we get it, we get it we actually started the 24 hour news cycle too, exactly so they had to have something to bring Right.
Speaker 2:It's a disgusting play on emotions and manipulation.
Speaker 1:So it's really what it is the 24 hour news cycle. I think it started with the OJ Simpson trial, You're right. That was so much fucking coverage on that thing and they saw the potential and they saw like, oh, they really care about the celebrity lifestyle and BS like this.
Speaker 2:And that's a good point. Celebrity like yeah, yeah, that is pretty much all our news is just celebrity Celebrities in politics. Celebrities on the geopolitical Politics Politics you know, yeah, and that's sad, because then we don't have a realistic view of the world around us At all.
Speaker 1:Well, and you look at some of our elected officials now like they have zero fucking qualifications and they're getting kicked out of theaters. So embarrassed.
Speaker 2:So embarrassed, that is like I mean. I caught, I was laughing.
Speaker 1:Do you know who I am? Unfortunately, yes, yes, I do Get the fuck out. Yeah, we do Exactly.
Speaker 2:And you know, at first I just saw group of politicians. It was, I think, from Denver Post and I was. It was like group of politicians get kicked out of the theater, beal, juice, play, and I was like it's both isn't?
Speaker 1:it, and then I read the article.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like you know what, you know what. She's my age. It's so Horrifying, yeah, that we have lived such totally different lives to the point that she thinks this is acceptable for a 35 year old woman to be doing.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's so trashy like, let alone a senator right Representative.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sorry little and representing anybody, right yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, like it's sad. It's just Sad and I'm disappointed. You're not even surprised, I'm just disappointed.
Speaker 1:There's a daddy joke there.
Speaker 2:That's what I've heard, allegedly. Actually, I think it's not even allegedly anymore, is it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of this stuff came up with when yeah, the reports of abortions and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know that what okay and that kind of swings back to you were saying about the Rebranding of pro life. It's what pro baby now? Isn't it like more of a pro? It's a weird yeah re-brand and I got confused and didn't have enough brainpower to think about this morning. I was not high, but it's so predictable yeah do you?
Speaker 1:oh, it's funny, did that? They're just using the Democrats talking. Yeah, I Right like how do?
Speaker 2:people not see through that. So that brings me to my question Do you think people see through it and this is just a stupid, like a pathetically Bad attempt at rebrand, or do you think it'll stick?
Speaker 1:I thought so. With Trump saying that rovers way it was a bad idea, like overturning it was a bad idea, with him saying that I think it'll drive some good, I Think people will listen to the shit that we've been saying for fucking ever it'll finally click. Yeah, that like okay. Yeah, maybe we should at least start with the exceptions of, you know, yes, mother-south rape, incest yeah, those were just a no go.
Speaker 2:But even those are even passed with the popular popular vote.
Speaker 1:They knew that it was on pop right, yeah, um, but I think we can at least start getting back to those conversations because, like those are not into the laws that are being passed by Republican legislation, because it's all just strict.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, exactly yeah.
Speaker 1:So it's across the board for all of them, the states we've seen right I Some of them have if the mother's life is in danger.
Speaker 2:Okay they'll have that one, but like the rape and incest is rarely, rarely ever know it stirs me Is most of the Republicans that are pushing these laws have benefited from their Sexual entanglements, either from them being child or children. I will just forget about all the great politicians that were friends with Epstein great, or they've had their Secretaries getting abortions right. We how do people buy this crap that they're telling them? But I think I'm with you. I don't want to go full nihilistic and be like no, humans are just too stupid, though they're gonna buy it. I kind of think that as a Generational shift occurs, the Gas lighting is much more obvious and not even acknowledge, not even bought into.
Speaker 1:You'd hope so, but like history has told us that we see a lot of flags on trucks. So you know, that's one thing I don't understand ever is like how they are tied in with his like, like the person, not the Platform. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2:What's a cult of personality? Yeah, and again, I know it's a cliche term, but it's a true truth. Okay, and that is exactly what we see, even though Trump has admitted to his damn felonies, admitted to things that you would should be shot for, I don't know sharing nuclear secret secrets, uh-huh kind of big deal, yeah. But even though he says that they know it, they trust him more than their own pastor, parents or friends. So it is definitely a cult of Trump. Yeah, and yeah, you would think, in the information age that we live in, this wouldn't?
Speaker 1:even be an issue. No, it's like a lot of it's easily disprovable, like.
Speaker 2:They don't, but it doesn't make them feel good. Yeah, so my brother is extreme, one of my younger brothers, extremely right wing, streamly, right.
Speaker 2:I talked about it, right, fucking, but I was about a year and a half ago before I had moved here. I was talking to him about something. I Forget what it was about, something very basic, but there was an article that had been Posted, like two days before, by some left-wing writer I forget the name, some left-wing author but it wasn't a real article, it was a faked one that had her name photoshopped on the screen, like it was. It was obviously fake, okay, and all the right-wingers through a hissy fit and like we're calling her death. She's getting death threats for something she didn't even write, like it was obviously a hit job right on her. And I remember seeing a reddit post where she was like but I didn't write this, this, it wasn't me, yeah, and the one of the posters on there was like you know what? It's something I feel could happen and I think could have happened. So I'm gonna say that this happened and that hit me and struck me like so nothing matters, there's no reality anymore.
Speaker 1:There's no reality.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think, unfortunately for the cult of Trump. Yeah, they found their cult leader that allows them to live in their easy fantasy of hatred and distrust and paranoia, and it's okay because he that what they want to do. Yeah, and so they found someone that allows them to be a big badass in their minds while still Living a very small paranoid life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's gonna be exhausting.
Speaker 2:It's got to be where. I mean everything is a conspiracy, everything is someone after you. Yeah, everything is someone trying to indoctrinate your kids. Hey, how do you live like that? Yeah, I can't. I just got think you down that rabbit hole and got exhausted.
Speaker 1:I, yeah, I hear more, more people talk about you know the woke agenda, but, like the only people I hear talking about, it is like the right, you know, like, yeah, like everybody I talked to me, even the like Republicans I talked to, they don't give a shit about trans people like, if it's not like directly in their life, like they don't know it, they don't understand it, they don't care to understand it, and that they don't fucking want to hear about it, hey and that's most people, yes, and most people, honestly, are not the anti-woke right wingers.
Speaker 2:They're really not great exactly, but the messaging and I think it's very subtle, other than like Fox News or anything Like the super right wing, like that, or even like super left, because I don't have never really kept up with like hard-floor left wing, yeah, but we see, I guess that pop politics again, it's only the celebrity issues, the celebrities in politics, yeah, and that gives you a warp sense of view of the people around you. That feels paranoia too, because you don't know that most people aren't Worried about that. But you hear, and that's all you see and consume. Is that the constant? Everybody's like this, that us or them mentality, and you can see it. You get into your own echo chamber of that message and left wing is the same way, where everybody's anti-woke, anybody who's conservative is automatically a Nazi. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Is that true? No, yeah, are all Nazis right wing? Yes, yes, are most of them?
Speaker 2:I did self-identified as Christian. Yes, yeah, but does that mean all Christian? No, but that's the echo chamber you get into and you follow those. Pop that messaging, yeah, and it's the opposite on the right side, like on Fox News. It's not a real view of the world. It's one that's engineered to make you feel like you need to keep watching to save yourself and your family. Oh yeah, which is translates to advertising dollars, because, exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah, left right center doesn't matter. They don't give a fuck about you. Yeah, it's about how many advertising dollars they pull in.
Speaker 1:Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, we mentioned it before where people's Opinions will change very quickly.
Speaker 2:If you know, the money dries up, you know oh yeah, on one side or the other, but we see that happen to. Yeah, okay, even coming down to pro-life, the money's drying up, donors have pulled out from most Republicans that are hard right on that subject. Money dried up, so what do they do? Well, they change their messaging to be more palatable.
Speaker 1:So now they get their donors again.
Speaker 2:But the the actions still say stay the same. Right With for me with messaging it with news I got. I tried to stick, like I said, to podcasts and most of them are on YouTube and they're funded through their viewers, so, like to patreon or something like that, they don't take any corporate dollars or anything like that. One of them I like is the David Pakman show. He's out of New England, he runs some YouTube channel and kind of like his own media With a small staff, cool, and when he does news he's very left-wing but he does debate and have right wing. He had Mike Lindell on his show quite a few times yeah um and Lindell.
Speaker 2:Poor man needs to antidepressants or something. Man has some mental health issues.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but but he had.
Speaker 2:He was on the show and it was very cordial and just a left-right debate, and it was good. So he's very un. He's very biased, but able to see past biases to look at the bigger picture. Yeah, it's so willing to listen to. Yeah and he does and he's very respectful, and I, like David Pakman, in a long time supporter of his show, because I find that he has given the most In-depth analysis of situations Without degrading to ad hominems or strawman theories, and he's good at calling it out as well.
Speaker 1:And then another thing I've been a lot more cognizant of is those strawman theories, you know, just arguments that don't matter, right, you know, because it's.
Speaker 2:And again, you would think, in the informational age that we live in, stuff like that wouldn't be a secret like everybody should be able to pick out when it's a bad argument. Yeah, unfortunately we're here still so.
Speaker 1:How's it so the? Have you ever watched a debate?
Speaker 2:Yes, like a high school debate yes.
Speaker 1:Have you seen the recent ones where they fucking just vomit for fucking 45 seconds, whatever?
Speaker 2:it is so like, so, so like they have.
Speaker 1:They get a question and they just as they speak as fast as they can for whatever the time is, and they get points on like the whatever points they're hitting and responding to and shit like that. But you can't understand the fucking thing. They're just they're being taught a debate. Yeah, they're being taught that. That's how you debate.
Speaker 2:Well, but they're seeing that that has been the hundred percent debates. For what sick right? Maybe about ten years is kind of when the Republicans started that. Then the Democrat I haven't caught a good Democrat debate in a while. The Republicans are. I caught five minutes at the last one it was. It was that same thing. Yeah, just vomiting out talking. Yeah, that's sad, it's depressing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a. It's a. It's weird to watch because yeah, there was like a national Debate championship or whatever.
Speaker 2:This is national.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is like the top level is. It's. It's wild Like I'll play for you when we're done here.
Speaker 2:It's fine, I was it's. I was a national honor society president. Oh, look at you, I Knew it. That would break my heart. Oh, it's not bad evidence, maybe it is, that's no, that would break my heart. It does break my heart. That's sad.
Speaker 1:Oh it's a.
Speaker 2:It's not debating.
Speaker 1:No, it's a spectacle.
Speaker 2:But I noticed that with the presidential debate a couple weeks ago and I could not get through it. I had told myself I'm gonna sit through it, watch the whole thing, and made five minutes. It was like, yep, I will not be keeping that promise with those guys that were on there.
Speaker 1:Like you know, desantis is at like 13% or something like that. I haven't checked recent polls, but they've dropped quite a bit, so they're probably all single digits, like they should. Probably Trump's gonna be the nominee. Yes, I'm in question, probably in a jumpsuit, you know very likely. Yeah, I don't. I don't know what the hell they're gonna think, what they're thinking.
Speaker 2:But you know they kept, they keep dancing around that subject to when, like the Republican National Chair was talking Like a week or two ago, was asked that question like what are you gonna do if Trump's in a?
Speaker 1:jail cell.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they just dance around the question. I'm like how are we not making that a legitimate yeah, like we're gonna need some answers on this one. This is something we need like.
Speaker 1:What are you gonna do?
Speaker 2:Yeah, let him go which is weird, because so, I talked to my sister about that a couple better month ago. Her, you know, she was saying something about Trump. No, this was, this was all done to stop him from running. Blah, blah, blah, blah. I was like, no, it wasn't. First off, no, here, why? And then she's like, well, but he can't run from jail. So obviously that's what I was like no, he can. Yeah, yeah, there's nothing in the Constitution that says you can't, and it blew her mind. Yeah, and she's like well, but no one's gonna vote for me.
Speaker 1:I was like oh no, no they. Well, yeah, it's already, they already say it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like it's a potential.
Speaker 2:Well, but the Republican party is like no, no, they're fine with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah so I was looking at her mind.
Speaker 2:I was like I wish I was that naive at this point. Right, because that's sad that we're even having that discussion. Yeah, and to take you see someone that was like that can happen refreshing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah there's. There's gotta be a lot of wake-up calls, you know, before next November, because it I, it could easily happen, it could very easily happen.
Speaker 2:And I'm not seeing any shame in people that like say they'll vote for him in jail. I'm not seeing any shame like, yeah, he's gonna be a felon. No, no, this makes me even strong, right? Yeah. Yeah, I mean their minds to like In their minds to. It blows my mind. They actually Not they, but many that I or some that I've seen. That Indicates a portion, I'm sure. I think this actually helps Trump with the African-American community. What, yeah, there was a senator.
Speaker 2:I forget from where, or I forget what is role the Republican Official that was like yeah, this helps him because you know African-Americans those they'll see him like as one of theirs. Now he has a mug shot. No way, yes, way, yes, way. And I my dog down the floor and like if this is an indication of a percentage of people in the Republican Party think this way.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you are not in reality. Wow, that's what I never heard. That.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was. It was just like a week or two ago, so recent. I'm like why that's a while, but that indicates a reality. Some people think. Right is there. Not only is that horrifyingly racist, then acknowledging White privilege, that anyways, go off on my Old social warrior. Justice crap. Social justice is worried, probably wrong.
Speaker 1:Anyways.
Speaker 2:Yeah that. That horrified me and I was like how can people live into in 2023? Yeah, think that, but some do.
Speaker 1:Like, yeah, I would like to know who, like initially spawned that thought like and like today Did they toss it around the room like what we kind of you guys think. This is a real thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's just. That's a little bit. There was a few of us that were like, yeah, no, they're totally gonna try to spin this as a good thing, like some racial, anti-woke, woke thing. And yeah, they did not disappoint, did not? You know what? I apologize, I'm not surprised, I'm just very disappointed, just very disappointed that I was right with that. What was I saying? I lost track. Oh, so I do like David Pak when show he's on YouTube on again, doesn't?
Speaker 1:take any support from.
Speaker 2:Corporate or anything, and you can fact check his messaging and fact check his stories. Yeah, he always has it linked and he does. Also. One thing that I really appreciate is he'll offer Apologies or retractions Without changing it, without being seen like behind the scenes. Oh yeah, it'll be a new met, a new video or new Livestream him saying, look, this was an issue, I was wrong, here's why. Yeah, so that I think is super important as well. Right, yeah, yeah, hold yourself accountable. Another news place that I tend to that tend to direct people to, is the young Turks. Yeah, I think that's a good thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah so it's over. So it's very pro left wing, but also very they're. They're big enough to apologize when they make something, when they say something wrong, again, yeah. But they also try to temper it with you know facts. So right, if there's a Democrat that's doing. I wouldn't consider them Democrat or Republican. They're left-wing okay. So if Democrats doing something that Requires a negative news story, it's gonna be done. Yeah, in all its glory, because the Rd in front of their name didn't matter right.
Speaker 1:I think that's one of the things that confuses a lot of folks is when I think it was 4th of July, I had somebody come up to me and he was kind of hard about the witch hunt against press drama. Well, he's a criminal, so he's being charged. What about all the Biden or the Hillary?
Speaker 1:and something that's like, well, if they had evidence they would have charged. Yeah, look like when Trump was in the office there, like if he had the evidence he would have charged. Yeah, there was not enough evidence and the DOG doesn't go after somebody until they have like a 99% Case, precisely, you know. So the evidence isn't there and like, oh, and that was another thing with the spec, that live stuff I was watching on Fox. They're talking about, you know, hunter, biden, stuff like that and it's, you know, they don't all the witnesses, like they don't exist, like everything is just completely.
Speaker 2:Falling apart and the evidence they had from the laptop or whatever was on the lap. You can't use that as evidence, because that's the term. It's from a poison tree, because you didn't have the legal right to take that laptop in the first place, right? Well, and then what was even found on the laptop?
Speaker 1:Well, so far, I don't even know what. Well, because it was on its way to the Fox headquarters and got stolen. Have you heard that portion of?
Speaker 2:that no yeah like, yeah, like.
Speaker 1:So Tucker was waiting for it to show up on his doorstep, or so. It was a stolen laptop, that got stolen, yes, okay. So I kind of just yeah, but it's a gasoline, you know, or they're right?
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, that's, that's even even at that point. Look what was even found, right like okay, weird dealings. And you pray like okay, it's all been debunked, whatever. So let's also talk about Jerry.
Speaker 1:Did you hear that Marjorie Green there? She put it like she put his dick pick up in Congress.
Speaker 2:Yes, and those are private. Yeah, that's right, I remember that Nothing came about. Yeah, no, no, yeah, like I mean, I think Hunter is suing, so that'll take ten years, right, but yeah, I remember, remember that now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's stupid, stupid stuff like you want to talk about, like and that's blatantly illegal. Yeah, having stuff I haven't stuff thrown in your face and like people's, you know I don't want transgender stuff thrown in my face. Well, here's a dick pick. Like you can't have it both ways here, folks.
Speaker 2:I know like Even right, exactly, yeah, oh, he's so embarrassing.
Speaker 1:I know, and like she got elected through like some pretty harsh tactics and yeah, a pretty Like red area and then she like threatened everybody else. I was running against her, oh.
Speaker 2:Gee, yeah, exactly what she did in Congress, right wherever she wherever she is, wherever she's been remember she's doing that thing to AOC where she was like beating on her door. I haven't heard that one. Okay, yeah like AOC on her office door. She would like beat on her door and harass her. Really, I think this is a major news story that we all forgot about. Yeah, I never heard that one, that's it's pathetic, oh, it's so pathetic, but like I mean, we've elect a reality TV star.
Speaker 1:This is the results of that, you know, like like we all think we're living in some kind of reality TV show now. So it's just that's true.
Speaker 2:It's true. I think, honestly, what'll be the downfall of America or society in general isn't going to be like Republican or Democrat. It's just the perfect storm of everything, the perfect storm of instant gratification with our everything in life, with the internet, with the ability to control messaging, with the Lately divided politics in country. It's overwhelming, yeah, but it does get worse with the news you consume. If you consume the wrong, I mean the world's fucked and it is not getting better. But we can't give up and we can't keep falling into the same corporate trap of paranoia.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like we talked about with that 24 hour news, like where they just have to constantly have people scared and like people just need to turn the TV off, agree like no, agreed.
Speaker 2:and it's hard, I know it's hard, I Well. Okay, that sounds kind of never mind. I Can empathize with how hard it is to cut out your news source because you want to stay informed right and things change On a minute by minute basis. Yes, so fast. You feel like you're losing out and you don't know what's going on. Feel blind. The fact is that's engineered as well. Mm-hmm, because who gives a shit what Boeberg does in Washington?
Speaker 2:Yeah it's embarrassing, absolutely yes, embarrassing what she didn't Denver over the weekend or with the other day? Very embarrassed, but at the end of the day, does it really affect you?
Speaker 1:right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who gives a shit what some celebrity politician doesn't Washington, it's not gonna affect you. But we've grown up over the last 20 years now of that constant pop news and Pop politics that we assume it matters but it doesn't. So, going to what you said, you have, we have to cut it out.
Speaker 1:What's funny is it matters in the sense that she's not doing her job somewhere else, right, and I don't mean that it doesn't matter, right.
Speaker 2:I mean it's like on on the constant basis of every day, after read something new about yeah, yeah, that doesn't matter. Yeah, yeah, that's right. We are in this higher.
Speaker 1:Yes, we just look at the that superficial, though right, you know not the actual news behind it. Like what does her right?
Speaker 2:We just look at oh, she's a fool because, right, we're talking about how we're just Disappointed, yeah, but we should be disgusted at the laws she has helped pass. Right, you're right, and that again is engineered, that that messaging is engineered to only look at the surface level and not actually Look deeper. Yeah, and that's tough, it's really tough and it's overwhelming and you buy into it. And it's tough with getting your news and not feeling like you're being, like you're Disappearing in the news cycle yourself. Right, but I have worked over the last year to cut out as much electronics as I can yeah.
Speaker 2:Cut down my use on social media a lot, even down the news. I try not to focus on any headlines and only like go through the news headlines once or twice a day, yeah, and I'll. I felt better and less buried under the news cycle. So speak yeah, I don't even get notifications. I don't want to do more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know that for anything like for a text message or anything like. I haven't gone that far. You know stuff like that.
Speaker 2:I have to go into it and like look for you know We've done that for thousands and thousands of years. Yeah, we'll survive. Yeah, right, yeah, but we are, we'll survive. But it's hard, especially with the news, because it's Salacious and you want. It feels good to read.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, yeah, it's a high school gossipy shit, yeah, yeah exactly exactly, but like you had said, we need to turn it off. We do that. I Don't want to sound like a boomer because I love technology, but I do go for like a week I'll go camping and turn my phone off to everything, yeah, and you feel so much More connected with your surroundings that you can come back, as long as you don't go right back down the rabbit hole, right, you feel better in your daily life in society because you you're not possibly drowned with everything. I Guess I'm being a boomer and saying put down this smartphone and get out in nature.
Speaker 1:That's what I gotta do, my my kids too, so I rely on this electronics. Too much for money to Get.
Speaker 2:The more involved with whatever I do and not to sound like that old dad agreeing with you, but yes it, we really don't. We don't realize how addicting the phone, or yeah again by design but Put the phone down, you will survive. Lauren Boebert will have something else that you'll be able to read about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I hope for his pizza this next election. I hope so because, like, if, if she gets really like that, I think that's when I'm actually gonna start a pleasure retirement. So it's okay, she's only in for six years. We're still gonna pay for her for she's my age.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a little younger, which means yeah she would lifetime we've put in.
Speaker 1:Yeah means not like what don't you need to put in like a certain amount before you can Draw social security like so many years?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like 65 or 65 well, but you have to put in so many years of actually working.
Speaker 1:Oh right, yeah, I forget what that is yeah, yeah, but it's not six years. Oh god, it's more than that.
Speaker 2:We need a revolution, but in our politicians.
Speaker 1:I think we just started getting Like separate. Few politicians talk about trouble. It's like Making it like not just a running platform, but you're gonna go there and do it, because people talk about it all the time but nobody actually goes and actually they're pushing for legislation. That means you're not gonna have a job. You know it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Well, I think we talked about last time but it's about money, because every politician 99% of politicians have a stock portfolio that they have to grow. Yeah, and they do that by staying in Congress or staying in politics. So turn one. I agree, term limits would be a huge start. So really fixing what we've got, yeah, and I think there's a growing voice on that.
Speaker 1:I don't know how Effective it'll be, but I think it's growing well, because you hear it on the right side too, because of Matt Gates, I think he pushes for that and he pushes for not stock trading, stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, weirdly, weirdly, I agree with him on some policies. Oh yeah, yeah, just weird, I hate everything that Matt Gates has to stand for yeah, I've been listening to more.
Speaker 1:It's been a weird situation but yeah, he's actually Doing more for the, his constituents and for the nation you know and his position and Look, it doesn't matter if you're right or left for public in our Democrat.
Speaker 2:Look at McConnell, look at Feinstein. Why are these people making decisions on anything? Right, mcconnell? I? Okay, he didn't have a stroke, so he has Parkinson's. Right? What's something's going on? Yeah, and the answer of oh, no, no, it's nothing, you didn't see anything. Nothing happened. That's not gonna cut it. Yeah, because you are making laws, right, but we don't have term limits. So 60 years for him to be there is fine. Yeah, so, republican or Democrat, it doesn't matter, this would benefit everybody. That you don't have people fighting for you? That don't. You don't even know if they're alive while they're standing there or not. Yeah, I mean you, is that good for anybody?
Speaker 1:Senator Feinstein.
Speaker 2:She was like she didn't know where she was during one of the session and they recorded her saying there was her, which is scary because now we need to know it. But now everybody knows that you don't even know what you're voting on right because they were quarter. Saying what am I voting on?
Speaker 1:Yeah, what? Yeah, yeah, that might be the same thing you're talking about. So I thought, okay, all right, yeah yeah, that's scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because of the one who has the power. Is the aid standing right there, right? Yeah, well, I'm glad.
Speaker 1:She said no, she say no.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Is that a year? Yeah?
Speaker 2:does she even know what she's?
Speaker 1:saying you know, yeah, so I oh. And then he had Nancy Pelosi, said she's running for re-election, so that's another eight-year-old that we're gonna keep in office and you know the big thing.
Speaker 2:I have this cool. Your age shouldn't matter if you can do the job, but we know that there are physical, physiological changes that occur that would make it more difficult. But also, you're so old you cannot talk to the current generation. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:You cannot communicate there. It's nothing against them, but you have to be. You don't understand that when you're still saying Text, speak of the young, of the kids. These days you are way too old to even be anywhere near kids or talking to them about politics Making the laws, that's Generating their lives or right.
Speaker 2:And so term limits, I think, would be a huge step in making sure the laws that are passed the government we have is Within the same generation, or at least one generation of, yeah, the current people living there. Yeah, not the 80 year olds that still think text speak is a thing. I've been fighting for term limits since I was in high school. One of my speeches or debates that I gave, I think, what I had to do it for, but it was on turn limits and why incumbencies usually lead to a destruction of democracy. And we're still here, yeah, so didn't do it, didn't do anything. Turn limits are Super important, so I do agree with Matt gates on that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I. There's a. There's also a. We talk about tournaments and how people, once they get put into power, they do whatever they can to stay in power. But they do that by having, like, bringing other people into their club, right, and then making sure that those people don't want other people into their club. Well, it's great, it's. It's tribalism, yeah, eating that tribe to protect you, right, and then, like this, outlawing other people from trying to get into. You know like, you just got brought into it yourself. Now you're gonna judge everybody else for trying to be in the same club, you know right, you know, be in the same tax bracket, whatever, you're gonna try to hold everybody else back Because it's that they need that sense of superiority, which is also why I don't want to get too political.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're right but that's why most.
Speaker 2:That's why most people, or most that are on the right, are very Against socialism or even the idea of so, even though 100% guarantee they have no code they're talking about, yeah, and can't define it or have a discussion on it, right, they're very against the idea of socialism because everyone's on the same level, essentially on the same like level, or everyone is equal, and you see a lot that fight it because they have a tendency to want to be the one in control, right, and it sucks Because they also benefit from socialism in their everyday life right and but that's another example of, I think, how, like the left's talking points, they're good, like right can use them eventually.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, it's like with the abortion rights. You know how the left's saying, well, we rape and incest clauses and things like that, and now they're saying that like these. You know, socialist or socialist programs, they're always selling points. Good, I mean, even social security is a huge selling point for Republicans and their voters. It is, and it's, a program that they fought against. You know for a generation.
Speaker 2:Even today, they're still fighting against it. But you're right, it's a huge selling point Because what? What do they say? We're never gonna touch it. You're gonna show security is gonna go up. Oh, they do. Yeah, yeah, they cut it, yeah. So yeah, yeah, you're right, they use the talking points but they don't mirror them in their actions. It's just the surface level action point talk and Unfortunately, as a nation, it seems we buy that and are more comfortable because we all know that they're lying when they say they're gonna change something. That's a wheel knowing.
Speaker 1:That's frustrates me. It's like I remember why aren't we changing it.
Speaker 2:Why do we allow that yeah?
Speaker 1:I remember in the first presidential election that I remembers the dukakis bush okay, yeah, and like you know, bush gave his you know no new taxes thing. Or is that in the book, the Clinton one I'm gonna be in the Clinton one where he said no new taxes. I think that was Clinton was at the Clinton, I mean it was but like Great.
Speaker 2:Then you knew he was lying like as he fucking said that no new time. You're like oh, that's a lot. So who are you saying that for? Yeah, because we all know you're lying and we all know that a certain group is going to believe it and then still be lied to and be okay with. I don't. It blew my mind because I was a kid at the time too and I remember even then being like but we know you're lying, yeah, yeah, that's never been a question. So I Don't know. I Trying to get too nihilistic and try to stay hopeful, but I Also know that there's brutal consequences for actions and I just hope the brutal consequences aren't. There's no turnaround right.
Speaker 1:Good times, good times yeah.
Speaker 2:Fucking Bobert yeah.
Speaker 1:Our representative, what not our representative?
Speaker 1:but it's the same thing, like once you're outside of Colorado, you don't know that that's not your representative. You know like people don't know that they're like, oh, that's your representative, and it's like not that ours is any better with landmourning or either, but At least he's yeah, all right. And that is the point where I learned that the garage band app has a 2000 bar time limit. So we kind of cut off our conversation there. But To wrap it up, there's a lot of Undeserving politicians out there sitting in positions collecting paychecks that don't deserve it. So make sure you get out there and vote. Yeah, that's kind of the end of that conversation. All things military.
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